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Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by gjsman-1000 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:54AM (#27527966)
It depends, whether they do no logs. There are many VPN providers in the US which don’t have logs, so that if they are subpoenaed, they have nothing to give.

The beauty of Apple’s double hop is that if one partner was hacked, secretly wiretapped, or had lied about not keeping logs, your connection would still be private.

But, that assumes that nobody on this network is keeping logs. If they are, then it could be theoretically possible to piece them together. However considering Apple’s marketing with privacy, it would be interesting to see whether they keep logs on each endpoint or not.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by wolverine876 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @06:35PM (#27534246)
> There are many VPN providers in the US which don’t have logs

Many claim they don't have logs, and my understanding is that it has been sometimes revealed that they do have logs. Also, how do you run a server without logs? Many think those claims are BS.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by nojito on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:22AM (#27528222)
What would the logs contain?

I believe everything is encrypted on device before being sent to Apple.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:30AM (#27528310)
Timestamp, source and destination ip addresses, username. In the case of the exit node, url.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by gjsman-1000 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:45AM (#27528442)
We don’t know that Apple keeps logs. These are things they could theoretically keep, but we don’t know if they store them or not.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by LegitShady on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:42PM (#27531297)
If they don’t clearly state ‘no logs’ then its unlikely they are not logging. My bet is they’re logging everything, because they have no advantage in not logging.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by nojito on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:29AM (#27528898)
Only the timestamp and username would be available from Apple.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by krferriter on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#27529059)
Source IP address and next-hop IP address would be as well.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by nojito on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:13AM (#27529417)
Source on the next hop address?

Apple doesn’t know where you’re going.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by NorwegianDude on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:24AM (#27529569)
They shouldn't know about the end destination, but they'll know your traffic was sent to eg. Cloudflare or whatever.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by nojito on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:59AM (#27530020)
I would think they batch together all the IPs and pass it off.

It's in Apple's best interest to keep the bare minimum information they need from their end-user.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by heavyset_go on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:40PM (#27531269)
> It depends, whether they do no logs

Courts can compel them to keep logs.