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Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by jandrese on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @02:50PM (#27519820)
Can you imagine coming to a client meeting 30 minutes late and telling him that the bus driver decided on a whim stop halfway through the route to chat up an old friend?
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by techsupporter on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @02:57PM (#27519900)
I mean, sure? How's that different from being 30 minutes late because someone dumped a load of frozen fish on the highway?

This mad rush to be everywhere at a specific time, usually when tens of thousands of other people are also trying to be at a similar spot at the same time, is a major cause of people being traffic. Heck, as the pandemic has shown, we don't even really need to always be in the same physical place to have a meeting; technology can relieve us of that burden.

My family gave up driving years ago, due to cost and stress, and it's been great largely for this reason. I don't worry about dealing with all of the people who have Very Important Places To Be. That's Metro's job, and they do it well.

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by jandrese on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:05PM (#27520014)
It's all perspective. If there is an accident then that's kind of unavoidable. The bus driver however is just stealing half an hour from the dozen or more people under his care on a whim.
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by kelnos on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:46PM (#27520537)
Right, but from the perspective of the bus rider, it's still unavoidable, as the rider can't control the bus driver. So I'd say it's still an acceptable excuse to give at the client meeting, unless there are other, more timely methods of transportation that you could reasonably be expected to take.

In places where this is sort of thing is common, I wonder if people aren't bothered by it because they truly in their heart of hearts don't mind, or because they've just resigned themselves to the unpredictability of their transportation.

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by ethbr0 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:19PM (#27522288)
This reminds me (fondly) of the Caribbean.

GP commenters is missing out that this is usually a culture-wide expectation.

If you're 30 minutes late, you mention the bus, and your boss gives you a knowing smile. Because it happens to him too.

Efficient? Less so. More relaxed? God yes.

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by mgh2 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:27PM (#27520284)
Exactly, the work ethic is definitely different in South America (grew up there)
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by void_mint on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:05PM (#27520005)
> Can you imagine

That's kinda the point. If it's culturally acceptable for this to be normal behavior, then yes, people _would_ accommodate such disruptions.

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by jandrese on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:11PM (#27520086)
It is hard to imagine anything ever getting anything big done with this kind of attitude. If you have a project were one part being late holds up the rest of the project--which is most of them--an attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by void_mint on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:56PM (#27520670)
I mean...it's not really though. There are plenty of countries that don't have the rush/stress/demands of the US (aka what you're referring to as "this attitude") that are getting plenty "done".

> attitude like this is almost impossible to work with.

Again, in reality, it is not impossible and works well enough all over the world.

> It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.

In response to a post about US workers being among the most stressed in the world, you're suggesting that alternative strategies are "selfish"?

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by tharkun__ on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:31PM (#27522971)
Disclaimer: not OP and I'm neither American nor South American.

I think that yes really it is. I agree with the many people in this thread that say Americans are way over the top with rushing and stressing out over things and putting unreasonable demands on themselves and others.

That said I completely agree that no its not fine for a regular bus driver to just stop and take his lunch and chat with friends just because he feels like it. That's would be what I agree is "this attitude" and selfish.

However, in this particular case we might be talking Greyhound style long distance service and it might just be how this service route is planned out and everyone knows. Then it's fine.

Context matters I would say.

Made up example: your company has a rule to end all meetings 5 minutes before the scheduled end (for real, not just a fake rule to 'make people feel less stressed'). In this company, if you are late to your next meeting you better have a good explanation.

Next company over no such rule exists and higher up regularly end their meetings late. Don't even expect me to make up an excuse when I come 5 minutes late to the next meeting.

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by coryrc on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:29PM (#27520310)
Why do big things need to be done?

Also, it's not like the US is doing a good job at getting big things done. 30 years for 50 miles of Seattle-area subway?

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by dntrkv on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @03:45PM (#27520536)
> Why do big things need to be done?

I dunno, maybe like improving the quality of life for everyone on this planet?

If you think things like this [0] will happen without "big things" getting done, you're mistaken.

[0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...

Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by MrRiddle on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:42PM (#27523063)
Your comment is making me want to puke.
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by thatfrenchguy on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:10PM (#27523254)
Given how late most projects, especially infrastructure projects, are in the US, I’m not sure we can give folks a lesson on that.
Re:U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, ne... by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:08PM (#27521522)
A route like that presumably doesn't run on a tight arrival time. The departure time will be set, but arrival time varies according to weather, traffic, road conditions and so on.

You certainly wouldn't book any kind of meeting based on the expected arrival time, a healthy amount of buffer time would need to be calculated in, and that just gives you time to go to a local cafe before your meeting.