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The Democrats didn’t spend early 2017 storming the capitol or recounting Wisconsin for the fourth time. HRC never said she’d be reinstated by August.
The Left thought it was hilarious when Trump's Secret Service moved him to the bunker when violent protesters were threatening to breach the security of the White House. I remember late night jokes, CNN/MSNBC mocking of how big a coward Trump was, etc. It was a great deal of fun and tied in with the lies about how supposedly Trump had peaceful protesters cleared out of Lafayette Park for a photo op. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/09/lafa...
"HRC never said she’d be reinstated by August."
Hillary Clinton spent years claiming that the election of Trump was illegitimate.
Has Stacey Abrams even conceded the Georgia gubernatorial election yet?
It's pretty rich for a party that claimed that George W. Bush was the "Commander in thief" and has Congressionally protested all the recent elections gets upset when Republicans did the exact same thing for even better reasons. The 2020 election was ridiculous. Democrats used the excuse of COVID to change election laws in multiple states while mass-mailing millions of ballots. They created an environment that was ripe for corruption and then assumed shocked faces as corruption was alleged.
Yeah because they didn’t and Trump hilariously lied about the incident. Even they weren’t saying “hang Mike Pence”
> Hillary Clinton spent years claiming that the election of Trump was illegitimate.
She did win the popular vote, while Trump won neither while claiming he did win both….
> They created an environment that was ripe for corruption and then assumed shocked faces as corruption was alleged.
Biden won 81M votes, the most in history. Have fun with the next 4-8 years.
I already know all of your claims because I watch broadcast news programs here and there. I see the news reports on Good Morning America when we have it on. I know what the left-wing narratives are.
That's my point. It's the default.
You have to work harder to get something that isn't in that bubble.
They didn’t even spend 2019 doing it, even after the Mueller report. When they did impeach him it was on the narrowest possible scope and they got 1 bipartisan vote for removal.
And that’s before the second impeachment which had several Republican backers in the house and senate.
You can lie to yourself about it but you're not going to get far lying to others.
I'm unsurprised that HN is being exploited this way, but I am pleasantly surprised that there are people seeing them in operation like yourself and the others speaking up.
The truth gets buried, ultimately, not by these bad-faith arguments, but by the giant thread above consisting of those who prefer to live in the world of the 90s where Republicans and Democrats worked to further their specific interests collectively in an organized fashion, and listening to both sides made sense.
I don't know if the memo is going to get out: those Republicans are gone. Those days are gone. Once the party has turned fascist I don't think there's going back, it's not like they can turn away from their deceived or delusional voters.
HN isn't a politics forum, its only function is to provide value for YCombinator. It can't address these foundational failures in human thinking.
But it's informative to see it struggle and fail.
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He deserved to be impeached, claiming otherwise shows your lack of judgement.
> If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party.
Says the person defending the guy who tried a coup against the USA
The previous POTUS deserves to be in jail, like his lawyer who went to jail for crimes ordered by him, and multiple members of his team who committed crimes on his behalf (only to be pardoned by him).
Also, personal attacks are not ok and will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You did that in multiple places in this thread. Please don't.
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Edit: actually you've been posting so many personal attacks that I've almost banned your account. I decided not to, because you've been here for 10 years, but if you want to continue to comment here we need you to stop doing this, and stop adding to political flamewars generally.
You may not owe (or feel you owe) your political enemies better, but you owe this community much better if you're participating in it. No more of this please.
I simply can't imagine the level of bias and filter bubbled amount of media indoctrination it takes to say this with a straight face.
The party of "freedom and guns" showed up with 500,000 people, left all their guns at home, but "attempted a coup"? Utterly ridiculous.
This is what a coup looks like: https://www.occupy.com/sites/default/files/field/image/scree...
Notice the number of guns vs. flags.
This is what a protest looks like: https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Jan_6_...
Notice the number of flags, and no guns whatsoever.
But I hope you can see that there are a large number of people who see a physical assault on the peaceful transition of power as a threat to the continuance of our government. An existential threat.
We are never going to change our minds on this and you have no right to ask us to overlook it because that's sort of like asking us to ignore an arsonist who we know set a fire, who has proclaimed the desire to set fires.
Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
How can you possibly ask people to look past this? With a straight face?
You're one of those people, I suspect, who gets tripped up on literal definitions of things. It doesn't matter what, specifically, is an attempted coup and what isn't. People will use imprecise terminology and if you want to talk politics you may just have to grow up about that fact.
Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.