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Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by Angostura on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:24AM (#27500469)
I always like the fact that the average musical birthday card, popular in the 90s had more compute capacity than the computer in the Apollo command module.
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by formerly_proven on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:49AM (#27500593)
Those ICs don't have any compute capacity at all. They're an analog oscillator driving an address counter connected to an OTP ROM whose data pins go into a DAC.
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by schlupa on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:37AM (#27500799)
Mmmmh, AGC was not that low level. It was a 16 bit computer, running at 1Mhz with 72 Kb of ROM and 4 Kb of RAM.
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by Eduard on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:31AM (#27500510)
I doubt.
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by nl on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:58AM (#27500627)
https://hackaday.com/2011/11/22/musical-greeting-card-with-m... shows building a music card on an ATTiny 85.

These are around 20 MIPS. The Apollo guidence computer had around 1 MIPS.

Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by kolinko on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:09AM (#27500677)
You can build a music card on ATTiny, but music cards didn’t use ATTiny.
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by nl on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:15AM (#27500700)
Sure, but I couldn't find a teardown.

It seems likely they are using something similar. It's difficult to find a cheaper chip, broadly available chip these days.

You can find Z80 clones, but even they are generally upgraded and therefore more powerful than the Apollo computer.

Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by nl on Monday June 14, 2021 @06:52PM (#27509367)
Wow the downvotes on this are pretty harsh!

Do people really think the Apollo computer is more powerful? And have any evidence? I'd be surprised if you can get a microcontroller with as little processing power these days.

Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by kolinko on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:07AM (#27516576)
I think the downvotes come because you keep saying that music cards use microcontroles, when they do not.

Music cards use dedicated chips, they are not general purpose, and they don’t really do much computation aside from a few counters. AFAIK.

Now, in DIY tutorials they show microcontrollers, because they are easier to obtain, but it doesn’t mean that they are used in the commercial products.

Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by nl on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @03:46AM (#27525974)
I realise they don't use microcontrollers, but the Apollo Guidance Computer only had ~12,000 transistors[1].

The cheapest, smallest (15s storage) "chip corder" (which is what these cards use) has GPIO, SPI, the ability to trigger different messages etc. There's no way this is under 12,000 transistors![2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count#Transistor_co...

[2] https://www.datasheets.com/en/part-details/isd2115ayyi-nuvot...

Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by rrrazdan on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:53AM (#27500608)
Citation please? That sounds unlikely!
Re:Doom Running on an IKEA Lamp [video] by notwedtm on Monday June 14, 2021 @08:48AM (#27501916)
This reminds me of the fact that 54% of all statistics are made up on the spot.