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Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by cheese_goddess on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:12PM (#27497491)
But why should we absolutely "lower net suffering"? Giving birth causes intense agony to the mother, but where are the hordes of humans advocating for the end of suffering, demanding that we put an end to natural births?
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Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by sweetheart on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:10PM (#27497885)
Because they believe that the net suffering is reduced by the joy being brought into the world via the birth.

And there are people who believe we should stop giving birth and let our species die. They are antinatalists. I think they are too extreme, imho, but you asked where they are: just google them.

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Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by cheese_goddess on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:50PM (#27498108)
To be clear, I asked where are the hordes of people demanding that we put an end to natural births, not all births, ever.

> Because they believe that the net suffering is reduced by the joy being brought into the world via the birth.

Sorry, who believes that?

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Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by sweetheart on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:02AM (#27499174)
Anyone who thinks there will be more joy in the world than suffering, when they have a kid.
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