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Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by coldtea on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:23AM (#27491943)
>This idea that science and technology is just another random religion is so frustrating, but I encounter it online way more often than I would expect.

Well, "frustrating" is not a scientific argument itself, it's a subjective feeling. More like what a faithful would feel against blasphemy. Isn't it at least a little ironic?

>I don’t need to personally review and understand the details of why electricity and the internet work, because I am literally typing this message on an electronic device and sending it via the internet.

Which is neither here, nor there. You still need to trust tons of abstractions you can't evaluate and don't control, the claims of experts and snake-oil salesmen, the policy of goverments, the products and initiatives of corporations, advertising, statistical data, etc. all of which are telling you they're "based on science" but nonetheless contain loads of p-hacking, cherry-picking, bad methodology, non-reproducable BS, and downright snake-oil selling, to the point of often doing the opposite of what actual concrete science would advise.

The fact that you have some artifacts you can use just tells you that science can produce concrete things. Doesn't tell you evaluate different courses of action, evaluate science results and scientists, understand science-drive policy decisions, and so on.

>I can go build a simple computer and prove it all out myself.

99.999% of the people can't and never will (practically, not merely potentially). So for them it's more like the junkie saying "I can quit heroin anytime I want, I'm not addicted".

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by j4yav on Sunday June 13, 2021 @09:13AM (#27492298)
Science and technology would not be able to produce concrete things if understanding it was practically beyond 99.999% of people or if it was remotely nearly as fundamentally corrupt as you are describing.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by thu2111 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @05:12PM (#27496543)
"Science and technology" are a vague abstraction. What people mean when they describe science as becoming a religion is more specific - they're using "science" as a shorthand for academic institutions specifically and the various maladies that go along with that, maladies like:

- The reproducibility crisis in social sciences

- The floods of BS coming out of public health research, a crisis for which we don't even have a name yet

- The journals who only care about impact and not about scientific integrity

- Politicians who appear to be completely controlled by modellers who never validate their models and whose predictions are always wrong

- People who are instinctively loyal to that whole set of power structures and rituals, such that they dismiss any claim of scientific misconduct as conspiracy theories, as ignorance, etc.

and so on. The fact that certain fields of study and other parts of society have been able to use the scientific method to produce concrete things doesn't automatically imply that all (so-called) scientists do so, and given the proliferation of scientific fields that produce nothing concrete, doesn't even imply the majority do.