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Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by manmal on Saturday June 12, 2021 @08:24PM (#27488638)
I had an otherwise enjoyable conversation with a just recently-turned-religious person. As soon as core tenets, as you nicely put it, where up for discussion, conversation came to a screeching halt. People who think the ten amendments must be strictly followed have a lot of cognitive dissonance to resolve, and reasoning is not welcome.

The same person asked me into great detail why vaccinations should be a good idea, and expected me to provide all the answers.

We both remained at our positions - she‘s now contemplating homeschooling her kid because of mask requirements, and I still don’t believe in a religion that says my gay friends need to become straight.

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by Thorrez on Sunday June 13, 2021 @03:59AM (#27490711)
>the ten amendments

That's hilarious. I'm not sure if that's a typo or joke. It also makes me think of the US Bill of Rights, which are the first ten amendments to the US Constitution.

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by 1123581321 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @01:10AM (#27489919)
What led her to change to the religion?
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by manmal on Sunday June 13, 2021 @01:23AM (#27489983)
Hard to tell for me what triggered this. She completely changed careers at that point it seems, maybe it was burnout.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by friedman23 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @08:52PM (#27488784)
You can't think of anything you believe in that if someone came to you to "discuss" you wouldn't react instantly negative and start calling the other person insults?
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by sidlls on Saturday June 12, 2021 @08:55PM (#27488805)
Why bother? I don’t hold any belief strongly enough to merit such a reaction, though I might react negatively for other reasons. For example, past experience showing the insincerity of their own debate tactics and a lack of patience for rehashing it all yet again.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by friedman23 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:01PM (#27488844)
I don't know you and can't speak for you. But my point that all the people on here criticizing people on their moral systems are baseless stands. These same people would've been in the mob in salem executing so called witches a couple hundred years ago and would have been just as certain in their beliefs then.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by Haiatu on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:10AM (#27490755)
Religion is dividing our society. Its reasonable to wish for an independent believe system for our whole society.

Nonetheless arguing on hn is not a mob.

But yes discriminiation of woman is a bigger problem than religion. Forced marriages, hanging gay people, raping children, religious conflicts are a huge issue still today.

Unfortunate for us, sciencse or a global believe system doesn't need to have a church. It happens trhough alignment, communication etc.

We are already more aligned through knowledge but we just don't promote that. My friend and i are not going to our science church on sunday because we don't need to. We don't need to discuss 1+1=2 because its proven. And while social norms are not that explicit, we see big progress here as well: In germany for example, we don't hang people on carcranes because they are gay.

Its just harder to keep track of this and doing the right thing if you don't get it pushed in every sunday. And indepenedent of this, in bavaria you had one hour every week christian religion in school. I grew up with plenty of assholes. Clearly religioun did not brought us as humans together.

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by manmal on Sunday June 13, 2021 @01:33AM (#27490034)
AFAIK witch hunts were often driven by political reasons and the church lent their credibility for it. Sometimes the church initiated them. Claiming atheists would have been a part of this is a bit far fetched, to put it mildly.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by lotsofpulp on Saturday June 12, 2021 @10:37PM (#27489306)
It is funny seeing this:

> These same people would've been in the mob in salem executing so called witches a couple hundred years ago and would have been just as certain in their beliefs then.

after this:

> I don't know you and can't speak for you.

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by friedman23 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:50PM (#27499114)
Explain how this is funny at all?
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:12PM (#27504373)
Not being able to speak for someone implies you do not know their thoughts or motivations.

So in the second sentence, you acknowledge that you do not know the thoughts or motivations of the person you are responding to, but the preceding sentence implies that you do know the thoughts and motivations of some other people, and what they would or would not have done a couple hundred years ago.

I.e. a very strong claim about one group of people you do not know, followed by an acknowledgement that said strong claim cannot be made for another group of people you do not know.

Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by friedman23 on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:50PM (#27506620)
I don't know the thoughts and motivations of individuals but I can make generalizations about groups. The contradiction you imagined doesn't exist.
Re:As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity ha... by manmal on Sunday June 13, 2021 @01:25AM (#27489986)
Nothing comes to mind, really. I call people names when they threaten my life in traffic, but that’s about it.