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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by estaseuropano on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:12AM (#27484258)
> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc...

I was taking your claims somewhat seriously until you massively misrepresented the very case for which you even provide an article. Now I guess all of what you are saying is either massive misrepresentation or plain false.

The guy was passing info about German agents to the US, not about foreigners/dissidents, and is facing life in prison for it. Embarrassing to betray your country and job for €1600/month. But it would be pretty odd if the German intelligence had a strategy of passing info about its own agents to the US.

I conclude that PT is likely an exception and the rest above probably made up conspiracy theories.

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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by wczekalski on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:19AM (#27484299)
The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless
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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by baybal2 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:36AM (#27484385)
Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et...

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth...

https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389

The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 Now it became clear for what Poland sold them out for.

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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by xeeeeeeeeeeenu on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:53AM (#27484508)
Nothing in your links supports your claims. The articles don't say anything about the supposed prisoner exchange.
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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by baybal2 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @10:28AM (#27484729)
What do you think they exchanged them for then? Do you think Belarus went, and released Poles out of its good will out of a sudden?
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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by bgandrew on Saturday June 12, 2021 @11:38AM (#27485178)
it's more likely that the whole story was invented by Belarus KGB in order to justify repressions against politically active citizens.
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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by sigmoid10 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @09:50AM (#27484486)
The one about Austria also borders between plain false and gross misrepresentation of reality.
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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by baybal2 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @12:57PM (#27485736)
A list of deported dissidents for you:

Tamaev Hasan - social activist from Gudermes

Malik Tayipov - niece of Gen. Dudayev who was born in Europe, and never been outside of it, on a "terrorism" charge

Daniel Mamaev - social activist who lived in Austria for most of his adult life

Rasambek Isayev - journalist https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-v...

Murad Aslamkhanov - dissident, blogger https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/

Dozens more

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Re:Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes ... by sigmoid10 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:38AM (#27641332)
It seems all of those were chechens? At least the ones you linked to were denied asylum seekers, one of them seemingly being convicted for illegal posession of firearms before getting returned. This is due to the anti immigrant stance of the government, it has nothing to do with aiding dictators. No idea who the others are, there is literally zero info on them. By that standard, everyone europe ever sent back to areas like the middle east falls into the same category. This is very different from spying on or handing over your own citizens to these regimes.
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