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Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by francis-io on Friday June 11, 2021 @06:59AM (#27471665)
Here in the UK, I see the battle still raging from both sides. I have been remote for 3 or so years now, so during covid it was business as usual for me. I have a dedicated room in my house for a "work" office, and plan to convert the roof into a hobby office. Having a dedicated room really helps me get into work mode.

In the UK I'm starting to see a push to get back into the office by the media. Stories about how "most" people want to go back into the office, which goes strongly against what I've heard from colleagues (which, to be fair is only tech people). I've heard the argument about being trapped in a small home/flat can be an issue, especially with kids, so I can see that being a driver to get back in the office.

Some more management and sales type people have told me quick communication face to face is missing with remote working, but for me, an information worker, I value not being interrupted every 10 mins. I can put my slack on DnD and block out mornings or afternoons for deep work.

I lived in the outskirts of London and commuted in for a long time when I was getting started in this career. Now I'm 10 years in, I'm over spending £650/$900 a month on a train ticket, spending 1h 30m each way to commute in and then spending £10 on lunch every day. At home I can cook good, cheap, home cooked meals. I can go for a walk at lunch time and start and finish when I want to, as long as work is complete.

People have also told me they miss social time in the office. I'm more introverted, so I miss this much less, but if it's a big loss, maybe you need to socialise more outside of work.

Now, 18 months into COVID, I have decided I never want to go back into an office, if I can help it. I know not everyone can do this, but for me, I've committed so much that I've moved away from London up to the North of England. I want to continue to arbitrage between London tech rates and cheaper locations as long as I can.

I'm sorry to say but I think most big cities will keep a significant loss of visitors. Those that can move will do. The brain drain from a country into capital cities I feel is reversing, and I think it's for the best. We can help revitalise smaller areas and tech like the internet, video calls and the acceptance of things like Slack will power it.

So right now, I think its a battle between employers and staff. Employers mostly want people back in the office (for some reason, I'm still not sure why), and most employees want to be remote, or at least have the option. Who will break first is the big question. An employer willing to hire from a bigger pool of people is bound to, over time, gain a competitive edge.

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by rightbyte on Friday June 11, 2021 @08:16AM (#27472261)
> An employer willing to hire from a bigger pool of people is bound to, over time, gain a competitive edge.

I am not too sure. When you recruit in really small pools (say 10 devs in a town) and score one of the worst engineers in the pool the next one to recruit is probably better. You don't have that effect in big pools where the untried pool share is almost still the same.

Also if the recruiting is worse than chance (quite common in my experience), having a bigger pool is worse and you ideally want one qualified candidate.

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by orthoxerox on Friday June 11, 2021 @11:12AM (#27474452)
> spending £650/$900 a month on a train ticket

Holy cow! People switch jobs when offered smaller raises than that.

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by ghaff on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:06PM (#27475861)
I'd be about $500/month to commute into Boston daily between rail/transit pass and parking.
Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by chrisseaton on Friday June 11, 2021 @08:16AM (#27472253)
> spending 1h 30m each way to commute in

That's crazy - where on the outskirts of London did you live? Birmingham?

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by philk10 on Friday June 11, 2021 @09:14AM (#27472866)
I had a 2 hour commute in - and I was 30 miles out of London. Drive to train station, get train, walk/Tube to office and that was on a good day with no train delays, I stuck it for 4 years Moved to the Midwest where I had a 15 minute commute and could afford a home (which I am currently WHF from)
Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by ghaff on Friday June 11, 2021 @09:09AM (#27472814)
No opinion on the accuracy but there are numbers out there [1] that an hour or more is pretty average. Not London, but I live about 40 miles out of a major city in the Northeast US near a commuter rail and a major highway and it takes me a good 90 minutes+ if I'm traveling into the city for the day either by train or car. (I did actually commute about half-time for about 18 months at one point.)

[1] https://bmmagazine.co.uk/in-business/londoners-commute-74-mi...

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by michaelt on Friday June 11, 2021 @10:18AM (#27473691)
Get a house that's 30 mins from your job via walk-train-walk [1] then change to a job on the other side of london, via walk-train-underground-train-bus [2]

[1] https://goo.gl/maps/UcNQmsbTE5Q3ni5c8 [2] https://goo.gl/maps/aFJ2Ut1ZLgmNGN266

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by akiselev on Friday June 11, 2021 @11:07AM (#27474392)
Not the GP or in London but this was my commute in LA from Pasadena to Santa Monica (~20 miles). If I left at 5am, it'd take less than 30 minutes but return traffic wouldn't clear up till 8-9pm so on most days it made sense to just suffer normal traffic. On a bad day I'd be in my car in bumper to bumper traffic for 5 hours.

Let's just say I have mixed feelings about the pandemic

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by throwaway2037 on Friday June 11, 2021 @12:58PM (#27475765)
Wow this is so real. Thank you to share your anecdata! Internet jerks asks: "Who don't you just move to Santa Monica!!??" Zero trolling: Do you have a romantic partner who is tied to Pasadena area or is there a better(!) reason why you suffer this awful commute? I could understand well if you are caring for an elderly or sick person in Pasadena, but worked long term for a firm in Santa Monica. (Real life is tough.)
Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by akiselev on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:49PM (#27476400)
I was splitting an apartment with a family friend in my hometown in a really nice quadplex where I grew up, for $700/mo. Something comparable in Santa Monica would have cost well over twice that and I'd have a stranger for a roommate. The savings worked out to $10-20 per hour of driving so while not life changing, it was pretty substantial.

I quickly learned to cope by making full use of the company provided gym: I'd leave at 5am and spend 3 hours at the gym doing stretches, exercising, watching TV on my phone, and going to the sauna/steam rooms (daily! it was amazing). Since everyone was in the same boat wrt traffic, we'd all take a long lunch most days and leave later, like 7-8pm which made evening traffic more managable. Most weekends I'd drive 3 hours one way to visit family anyway so I got used to it.

Like I said, I have mixed feelings about the pandemic. Getting 3-4 hours of my life back each day has been incredible. Never going back to any commute.

Re:Amazon reverses course, expands work-from-home options by only_as_i_fall on Friday June 11, 2021 @09:33AM (#27473086)
A 90 minute commute? No wonder you prefer remote work...