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Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by kaba0 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @08:31PM (#27467863)
> I am pro science, but science doesn't claim that all vaccines are safe

Indeed. But science does claim that Pfizer, Moderna, etc COVID-vaccines are safe and you are un-scientific if you claim otherwise. They went through proper trials, and were accepted independently* by many countries.

* not completely independently I’m sure, but my point is that even if you don’t trust your country at all, several other ones decided univocally that it is safe

Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by jimmydorry on Thursday June 10, 2021 @11:38PM (#27469022)
Claims != science. Any company is free to make any claim they want, and they can offer proof in the form of trials. These trials help us form opinions on the safety of a product, however, the long-term safety profile of novel innovations takes time to verify and trials can be manipulated in many subtle ways.

The FDA and other bodies dictate what kind of testing and certification must happen before allowing the sale of such products. And in very rare cases will offer emergency approval that bypasses quite a lot of the trialing or cut short the standards that must be met.

To claim any treatment is safe and that any skepticism prior to long-term trials is unscientific... flies in the face of all reason.

Did we learn anything from: cigarrettes, Fen-Phen, Valdecoxib (Bextra), Pemoline (Cylert), Bromfenac (Duract), Levamisole (Ergamisol), Rofecoxib (Vioxx), Isotretinoin (Accutane), and many many more.

All of these products were FDA approved, a feat these vaccines are yet to achieve.

Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by ghoward on Thursday June 10, 2021 @09:37PM (#27468366)
How can science claim they are safe when we haven't even had the chance to do tests for long-term effects yet?
Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by kaba0 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:03PM (#27468527)
The vaccine’s matter is in your body for a day at most. The immune system is known for quite some time, and the immunization do happen. In what way could someone develop a side effect long after the vaccine? Of course medicine is data based, not necessarily about mechanisms, but at a point Occam’s razor has to apply. And either way, we would have seen by now any side effect since it has been injected into many millions for quite some time now.
Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by ghoward on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:31PM (#27468702)
Long-term effects are just that: long-term. We can't know what long-term effects the vaccines have until they have been used for a long time, even if millions have had them.
Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by mandmandam on Friday June 11, 2021 @09:57AM (#27473386)
If science believes they are proven safe so hard, then why did governments have to grant full legal indemnity to the pharma cos to get them?
Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by lodi on Saturday June 12, 2021 @03:32AM (#27482415)
> They went through proper trials...

No they haven't. They were approved for emergency use only. New vaccines usually take 6-7 years to complete clinical trials.

https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/

Re:Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines by kaba0 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @04:53AM (#27482884)
> New vaccines usually take 6-7 years to complete clinical trials

Not necessarily. The yearly updated flu shot doesn’t for example. This case is similar, the novel technique itself was in development for a decade now with different parts having been clinically tested.