I was just correcting the term in the edit, but I agree I'm being a bit inflammatory.
> Deplatforming works.
No it doesn't. The entire history of Western Liberalism—since the Magna Carta onwards—teaches us that censorship is quite literally never the answer.
What do you mean by "works"? Deplatforming seems to work if it's goal is to simply limit the spread of a message. Whether or not that's good or bad is a separate question. Do you think Alex Jones has just as big of a viewership as when he was on Youtube? Are there just as many people who know what Trump was talking about last week, now that he's gone from Twitter? Big platforms give those with followings an opportunity to reach even more people.
Deplatforming seems to work if it's goal is to simply limit free speech and control the narrative. There fixed that for you.
> Alex Jones has just as big of a viewership as when he was on Youtube?
Alex Jones got his youtube viewership from his radio show, he’s still quite active. All this did was prove those that believed him that he’s correct. It will still spread as it did before youtube.
> Are there just as many people who know what Trump was talking about last week, now that he's gone from Twitter?
And how many people you think are upset by this? Do you think that the left can just shut someone like Trump off from the every platform and everything’s just gonna be hunky dory? This one action alone is one of the major contributing factors to this anti vax movement. The left blew the divide up.
You're still perfectly free to spew your crazy, you just don't get to stand on my lawn to do so.
Good, old-fashioned conservative value that. You have never had a right to use someone else's infrastructure like this, and hopefully never will, as that is a scary precedent that doesn't respect the rights of creators and owners of such platforms.
You seem to be repeating the current right wing grievances. If you’re not on the right then... ok.
Got it, so if we don’t agree with how something is used we shut it down. Republicans attempted this before with bakeries, so I guess this means it’s ok now?
And the inciting violence thing, you realize that’s a left belief yes?
Not sure what your point even is here any more.
There is basically almost no precedent to todays problem of misinformation spread, so historical examples are near useless. Censorship is a trivial problem to overcome in the modern world contrary to the last century’s vision, one can’t really hide anything on the internet. The censored information itself will be available in some way. What is much more effective in preventing information flow is the other direction, obfuscation or overloading of information.
A great example of it is an older Russian voting fraud, where video footage leaked of a man repeatedly throwing in ballots. It got quickly shared over Twitter with the name of the town in hashtags — there was no chance of censoring that. The solution was to spam twitter with unrelated bullshit with #NameOfTown, effectively putting out the flame.
And unfortunately bullshit like antivaxx, anti-climatechange, and political campaigns do use this technique very effectively to counter the usually more complex scientific arguments. People prefer taking only a few logical steps instead of the whole “we create the replica of parts of the virus by injecting the …”. Unfortunately I don’t know what would be a solution to this. Perhaps better education..
I’m sorry but what?!?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation
The only difference these days is everybody has a printing press. So what you’re advocating for is removing someone’s first amendment right.
And you’re wrong again, there’s even a story in the Bible about the tower of babel. Same exact thing. When humans, all humans, can communicate easily and quickly it’s dangerous.
It’s relevant because the reason the languages were confounded was for the exact same problem we have today. Too many people with a megaphone. Too easy to spread information, good or bad.
Please point to where I’ve mentioned either facebook or youtube. No idea where this is coming from.
Rude and uncalled for, even after your edit.
Patient discussion is ineffective on people who are acting in bad faith. It is counterproductive.
There is no debate to be had. No one is genuinely trying to learn anything here.
By giving con artists and dangerous vaccine conspiracies a space, you legitimize their line of questionning.
LKML is not a place to send anti-vax emails or to be "just asking questions". Deplatforming works.