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Re:Developers can't fix bad management (2020) by gregors on Thursday June 10, 2021 @12:32PM (#27462576)
Product and Engineering need to be peers in this regard.

I think Spolsky said it best about the dynamic between managers, product and developers

https://youtu.be/A3-ijSmDQ3c?t=983

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