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Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by fulafel on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:42AM (#27457148)
This is of course the classic libertarian default counter argument. Zoom out enough and reduce government until the situation is shaken up so that the original discussed problem can be arguably speculated to be less relevant in the brave new world. Abracadara, the original problem was too much government.
Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by ridaj on Thursday June 10, 2021 @02:42AM (#27457582)
Yes. There's a lot of this on HN it seems. Of course the argument doesn't hold up to evidence... Places like Somalia, Haiti, Yemen, etc. are great concrete case studies to understand what really happens in places with minimal or non-existent governments. The evidence doesn't exactly point towards major advancement in workers' causes.
Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by eru on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:20PM (#27463119)
It used to be called Startup News.

Given those pro-capitalist beginnings, the site has drifted relentlessly leftwards over time.

Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by kortilla on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:53AM (#27458100)
Oh no, you’re straw man of libertarian ideals has proven easy to defeat!

Libertarians don’t want non-existent governments as the highest priority. The key priority is using markets to determine prices and a critical part of that is being able to enforce property rights. A big government focused on enforcing those rights is completely supported by libertarians.

Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by ridaj on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:47AM (#27458841)
Well sure but that's not an argument in favor of libertarianism as an answer to the dangerous working conditions for ship crew either. A government that is focused on property rights, just like the flags of convenience under which most maritime shipping takes place, doesn't care much about labor regulations or immigration in the first place. In a way, international waters are already the "libertarian state".
Re:The Risk of Cargo Liquefaction by eru on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:22PM (#27463143)
In some sense, yes. See https://www.econlib.org/archives/2005/07/the_economics_a.htm... and https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/05/cruise_ships_an.htm...

I was suggesting that if you want to help workers, you need to give them access to better outside options.