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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by yongjik on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:01PM (#27450328)
I own a house in East Bay, and paying >$10k/yr of property tax. While I don't mind tax in principle, it greatly annoys me that I'm paying much more than my neighbors just because I bought it a few years ago.

And why would my opinion change when I get older? Prop 13 won't do shit to lower my taxes, I'll have less income and still be paying through the nose, because the city needs money and half of its residents are paying virtually nothing. If anything, I'll be even crankier about the whole situation.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by krferriter on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:32PM (#27451398)
It's a pyramid scheme, people newly entering the housing market radically subsidize the asset values of those who entered before them.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:37PM (#27451444)
> And why would my opinion change when I get older? Prop 13 won't do shit to lower my taxes

It will, in real terms, since the assessment increase limit is the lower of 2% or the rate of inflation each year, guaranteeing that over the long term the assessed value and tax go down in real terms.

Which isn’t to say your opinion should change, just that the self-interest equation does.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by JAlexoid on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:52PM (#27451609)
That's BS. If I pay $10k in property taxes(excl school taxes), that means I cannot invest that money into something more tangible. Thus depriving me of working investments to subsidize wealthier individuals is worse, than steadily increasing taxes.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:57PM (#27451678)
That taxes compete with other potential uses of money is obviously true, and equally obviously irrelevant to the discussion of whether Prop 13 will or will not lower your real tax bill over the time you own a home.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by JAlexoid on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:06PM (#27462970)
That's the problem. Prop13 makes your taxes high upfront, with lower taxes later on. This is counter intuitive, when you want to encourage people to buy homes.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:15PM (#27463062)
> Prop13 makes your taxes high upfront, with lower taxes later on

No, Prop 13’s rate limit makee your taxes low upfront — the 1% cap on nominal rates is far below the national median effective rate, and the nominal rate is before applying the effects of the assessment limits — and the limit on annual assessment increases to the lower of inflation or 2% makes it even lower later on.

A lot of people focus on the second in isolation to say new home buyers subsidize existing owners in CA, but really both types of owners are subsidized by income and sales tax payers, its just new homeowners are slightly less subsidized.

> This is counter intuitive, when you want to encourage people to buy homes.

“Barely taxed now, and even less taxed later” does a very good job of encouraging people to want to buy homes in California, and also of discouraging them from wanting to sell homes in California, as evidenced by price trends.

What it doesn't do is make homes affordable to buy, but then encouraging people to want to buy and making them affordable are goals that are inherently in some tension, given the effect of demand on price.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by delaynomore on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:57PM (#27450998)
>why would my opinion change when I get older? Your opinion might change if property price around East Bay continue to appreciate and your new neighbors are paying even more.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by rcpt on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:27PM (#27451337)
A pitch copied straight from pyramid scams.