Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by dmpayton on Tuesday August 12, 2008 @08:16PM
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I completely sympathize with Mark. I was an Apple hater for years, and was ecstatic when I discovered Linux (Ubuntu 7.04) and could move away from Windows as well.
Then a good friend of mine convinced me to get an iPhone. I was hesitant at first, but after trying one I decided to go for it.
Then I got a job where my choices were a MacBook Pro or a Dell with Vista. Three guesses which one I took (the first two don't count).
I must admit OS X is really nice, and full Unix compatibility is a huge plus. Still... sigh
Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by elai on Wednesday August 13, 2008 @05:01AM
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Full unix compatibility without easy, comprehensive & working BINARY package management (like debian, or archlinux) is still a big pain in the ass. Setting up something like the mysqldb library, mod_python, apache, and django can be a 1 hour production vs. the 5 minute production that it is on linux.
Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by tptacek on Tuesday August 12, 2008 @09:16PM
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I can't modify the firmware image in my Bosch engine ECU, even though doing so could significantly improve the performance of my car. Mark is right. Nobody gives a shit.
Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by tptacek on Tuesday August 12, 2008 @09:17PM
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... and Apple will do whatever they can to brick those phones, and in the arms race that follows, it's a coin flip as to whether Apple will win (like DirecTV did) or lose (like Microsoft did with the first Xbox).
Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by mariorz on Tuesday August 12, 2008 @09:27PM
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I don't think Apple is as pressed to fight this war as DirecTV was.
Also you can jailbreak the thing without additional hardware which wasn't possible in the DirecTV scenario. I doubt that we'll see jailbroken iphones going away anytime soon, the process is becoming effortless even for non-hacker types and the benefits are obvious (even if you've never heard of Freedom 0).
Re:Hello darkness my old friend
by tptacek on Tuesday August 12, 2008 @10:54PM
(#274692)
I don't know if Apple feels pressed. It's hard to say if, long term, you'll need hardware to jailbreak an iPod. I'm just pointing out that there is a bit of hubris in the jailbreaker mentality --- it is not, from a CS perspective, an unsolveable problem to make jailbreaking more effort than it's worth. Apple's got a lot of smart people.
Then a good friend of mine convinced me to get an iPhone. I was hesitant at first, but after trying one I decided to go for it.
Then I got a job where my choices were a MacBook Pro or a Dell with Vista. Three guesses which one I took (the first two don't count).
I must admit OS X is really nice, and full Unix compatibility is a huge plus. Still... sigh
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Also you can jailbreak the thing without additional hardware which wasn't possible in the DirecTV scenario. I doubt that we'll see jailbroken iphones going away anytime soon, the process is becoming effortless even for non-hacker types and the benefits are obvious (even if you've never heard of Freedom 0).
Awwwwww