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Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by SilverRed on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:30PM (#27429635)
> and most of the people who do have $2k to spare don’t live in places with unreliable electricity.

A home battery in many places is basically free money. Renewables mean there is an extreme oversupply at some times and an undersupply at others. Owning a battery hooked up to the grid means you buy power at oversupply times where the power goes in to negative pricing and then sell it back at other times in the same day where it is very expensive.

Reusing old car batteries for this purpose might become the next bitcoin mining with warehouses full of repurposed batteries buying and selling power.

Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by dragonwriter on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:44PM (#27429713)
> A home battery in many places is basically free money.

Only if its a free battery. Otherwise, its an income stream with an up front cost.

Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by SilverRed on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:50PM (#27429754)
Which is why its not common, but with battery prices coming down and dirt cheap second hand batteries on the horizon, this is going to become a big industry.

An old tesla battery with only 50% capacity remaining is still perfectly good for this kind of use even if not so great for driving.

Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by dragonwriter on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:24PM (#27429961)
> Which is why its not common, but with battery prices coming down and dirt cheap second hand batteries on the horizon, this is going to become a big industry.

Maybe briefly, especially where retail customers with some installed renewable generating capacity can leverage the latter to take advantage of net metering laws designed to bring renewable capacity to the grid, because otherwise their stuck buying at retail and, if allowed to sell back at all, selling at wholesale.

Bur cheaper batteries mean proper utility players (e.g., a joint operation of PG&E and Tesla) are building large, purpose-built storage facilities, often colocated with generation facilities, with lower marginal costs for real estate and interconnection than separate facilities and better access to financing than small operators.

Storage is going to be a big industry going forward, but the period where home storage (or storage by anyone but major utility players) is a viable financial hack rather than just a backup plan for grid failure will probably be brief unless artificially subsidized to encourage distributed storage.

Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by Johnythree on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:43PM (#27430436)
Old car batteries are at the end of their life because they have low capacity or have shorted cells.
Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by SilverRed on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @01:05AM (#27430823)
A battery with only 50% capacity is pretty useless for a car but if you get it for cheap, its a great deal for a home battery.
Re:The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in... by cogman10 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:06AM (#27436153)
The realities of batteries is that most of the cells will be at 90% capacity while a few will have dropped to 50%. So recycling really can be just plucking out the good cells and breaking down the few old cells.

Those 90% cells will also have a pretty nice degradation curve as most of the loss happens within the first few years of operating.