> I am aware that this is not the 1950's superman definition of justice.

It’s not any definition of justice, its simply the rule of the powerful over the weak.

For those living in America, that’s what they can expect. It does no-one any good to pretend otherwise.

> For those living in America, that’s what they can expect. It does no-one any good to pretend otherwise.

Be that as it may, it likewise does no one any good to pretend it has any connection to justice.

> I am aware that this is not the 1950's superman definition of justice. It is the "welcome to America" version of justice, that you often can't even get if you can pay for it, depending on who you are.

> Be that as it may, it likewise does no one any good to pretend it has any connection to justice.

...because someone on HN is going to be confused by the witty criticism of justice, and experience actual moral or intellectual confusion? Does this not strike you as linguistic pedantry?

Because we should never accept it. Never let it fade into the background of life.

"You found paradise in America, you had a good trade, you made a good living, the police protected you, and there were courts of law."

So, at least in the US justice system it's one dollar, one vote.

I don't think that's quite fair since the US justice system does allow for and has come to include advocacy organizations like the EFF and NAACP, and, even without those organizations usually individuals will end up paying significantly less for the same legal services (since most lawyers do have morals and will try and make their services affordable to less well off clients).

But... other than those allowances... Yea, money is pretty important in the US justice system.

I mean... those are organisations that are support a collective ideal.

People that buy into that ideal fund those organisations so they can provide legal support to enact those principles.

The existence of those organisations (or pro bono work) is not a counterpoint to the premise that the US justice system is predicated upon money (and the implied corrolary that the level of justice you receive is proportional to the amount you pay for it).

(having said that, I don't necessarily agree with the flippant comment that you are replying to, but still).

Stop that. We aren’t supposed to say the quiet part out loud.

It's absolutely disgusting for that to be the case. Tell me again why we should treat America's government as anything other than evil and despotic?

Because it’s not North Korea’s government? You say that as if organizing and running a beneficent and just government is a trivial matter. People are evil and despotic, and every government is full of people.

>You say that as if organizing and running a beneficent and just government is a trivial matter.

Not really. The things this country has done since its inception are deplorable, and yet we have people in this country that want to prevent people from learning more accurate history to keep fake, nationalist "patriotism" at an all time high. They want the system to be cruel and hurtful. What is there in America to even be proud of nowadays?

There's more freedom of speech than other western countries, there's a greater ability to bear arms than other countries...

It’s not trivial, but somehow most western countries manage to do way better than US.