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Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by lemming on Friday July 08, 2011 @09:45AM (#2742368)
The title of this link is a little misleading. If I read it correctly, the patent is actually about ad-hoc pairing of roaming devices that previously couldn't accept certain types of operations because of security regulations (i.e. PIN transactions) with terminals that can accept them. So, sales droid is on the shop floor with an iPhone, customer needs to enter a PIN to pay, sales droid can pair their iPhone with an available terminal somewhere in the store and use their iPhone essentially as a proxy to the authorised device. I don't think this would affect Square, for example.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by pitdesi on Friday July 08, 2011 @11:02AM (#2742712)
It would, however affect most payment systems in Canada. When you eat out at a restaurant, the server comes around with a payment device that takes PINs.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by lemming on Friday July 08, 2011 @11:36AM (#2742849)
They do here in Europe, too. But I still don't think this applies unless they're using a generic device (iPhone et al) to create an ad-hoc connection to an authorised device in order to act as a proxy to it.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by gtani on Friday July 08, 2011 @11:29AM (#2742824)
fullon snark

Does anybody remember: Up to a couple years ago, the Apple stores used to use Windows CE devices to process card sales.

edit: not sure they were CE, but definitely MS Windows based, and if you asked to look at it closer, the associate would generally say they were really busy and walk away.

Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by masnick on Friday July 08, 2011 @12:37PM (#2743126)
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by winsbe01 on Friday July 08, 2011 @09:26AM (#2742307)
the number of patents that apple has on things that, to me, seem generic enough to generate good competition and innovation is astounding. and depressing.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by isleyaardvark on Friday July 08, 2011 @10:08AM (#2742438)
Serious question: how many times has Apple used a generic patent against their competition? It doesn't seem to happen often, which gives me the impression they're mainly defensive patents.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by naner on Friday July 08, 2011 @01:08PM (#2743244)
Recently they've sued HTC, Motorola, Samsung, and Amazon for iPhone-related stuff.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by winsbe01 on Friday July 08, 2011 @10:57AM (#2742692)
that is a good question. I'm sure a lot of them are defensive patents, but then you have the whole "App Store" name debacle between Amazon and Apple, and then I start to wonder...
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by sjs on Friday July 08, 2011 @11:53AM (#2742941)
Start to wonder about what? Please finish that thought.

Unlike with patents if you don't defend a trademark you will lose it. Trademarks and patents are different and I'm curious as to why you're relating them here.

Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by winsbe01 on Friday July 08, 2011 @12:01PM (#2742984)
you're right, I'm sorry, I'm confusing the two. I'm just not too fond of the whole owning-something-intangible concept, i.e. patents on processes or trademarks on words. in my distaste for them, I guess I mixed them up.

but yes, a trademark is representative of a brand, and it's important for companies to control their brand image, especially companies who are constantly under surveillance by the media like Apple.

Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by sjs on Friday July 08, 2011 @08:30PM (#2744641)
Understandable. I don't have anything nice to say about software patents either.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by gharbad on Friday July 08, 2011 @09:32AM (#2742324)
.. Why wouldn't square count as prior art??
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by cdcarter on Friday July 08, 2011 @11:06AM (#2742732)
Well, for one, Apple has been doing mobile device sales in their stores for longer than Square has even been a company.
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by pitdesi on Friday July 08, 2011 @09:07AM (#2742247)
Re:Apple patent application for retail card transactions on ... by scooby2 on Friday July 08, 2011 @09:25AM (#2742300)
That's not in layman's terms - it simply repeats the patent claims verbatim with a couple of paragraphs of commentary on how significant this is.