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Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by antibuddy on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:13AM (#27420534)
On the other hand the incentive for people to innovate and make it accessible to anyone is often money. The criticism of capitalism is warranted, however the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by louis___ on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:21AM (#27420576)
This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem.

Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community.

> the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation

For me this is as much a myth as the good old "the wealth trickles down from the rich to the poor"

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by Ygg2 on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:53AM (#27420746)
> This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem.

Citation needed.

I like open source software, but let's just say often you don't want OSS community to design an interface or maintain it.

Inkscape is on one hand a great tool, on the other hand, it just bogs down doing routine things like zoom or rotate canvas.

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:44AM (#27420702)
There's nothing anti-free market about Open Source.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by Der_Einzige on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:13AM (#27423534)
Except copyleft, the GNU project, and all other viral licenses
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @02:36PM (#27426304)
Since those are purely voluntary, they are not against free market principles.

Anyone can (and has) form a commune in the US, too. There's nothing to stop you.

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by vimacs2 on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:25AM (#27420597)
Not only is it a myth but also incredibly arrogant, as if the ten thousand years of advancements and innovation by humanity since the dawn of civilisation prior to the development of capitalism in Italian city states never happened.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:46AM (#27420712)
The hockey stick innovation curve started at the time of the industrial revolution, thanks to free markets.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by vimacs2 on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:31AM (#27420968)
Or it could have also been due to the whole having access to orders of magnitude more mechanical power on tap, assembly line production allowing for rapid prototyping, and industrialisation of agriculture leading to a population boom.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:40AM (#27421016)
Which happened in free market countries, not unfree ones.

P.S. the assembly line (invented in a free market country) is not about rapid prototyping. Prototypes are not built on an assembly line.

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by vimacs2 on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:45AM (#27421042)
Russia and China or do those not count?
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:52AM (#27421076)
Russia and China did not industrialize until well over a century later. Or are you saying Russia and China build prototypes on an assembly line? I'll need a reference for that!
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by antibuddy on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:42AM (#27420691)
Tell me what system without the capitalist IP system actually innovated faster/better. I only find a lot of failed attempts.

Maybe monetary incentives are important for innovation. And I don't think it's perfect at all, but abolishing it also seems a bit rich.

> Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community.

What does that proof? You can't pretend that this would work universally.

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by CraigJPerry on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:20AM (#27420572)
Most of the interesting innovations happen on publicly funded research. Whether it’s your RNA vaccine https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-d... or your phones touch screen, or your siri voice assistant or your uber gps taxi
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @05:43AM (#27420696)
> Most of the interesting innovations happen on publicly funded research

Excluding airplanes, jet engines, rockets, transistors, git, etc.

Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by devdas on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:11AM (#27420832)
Rockets were publicly funded research. A lot of airplane research was publicly funded.
Re:Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors by WalterBright on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:15AM (#27420858)
Goddard was not publicly funded.

The Langley prototype fell into the Potomac like a sack of wet cement, and cost 20 times in government funding what the Wrights spent on their entire R+D program. Langley clearly had not solved any of the problems necessary for controlled, powered flight.