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Re:A Lifetime of Systems Thinking by Nowado on Sunday June 06, 2021 @05:45PM (#27416627)
Huh.

I did reread that part and I was clearly wrong. You are absolutely correct, it refers to a wider category.

Now I kinda want to take person up the comment chain on their bet.

Re:A Lifetime of Systems Thinking by ethanbond on Sunday June 06, 2021 @05:49PM (#27416662)
I haven’t read any Ackoff but I’ve read a decent bit that is clearly in the intellectual orbit (e.g. Weick) and you would win that bet.

The entire basis of their analysis is that these arbitrary distinctions people propagate in common parlance are not real.

Re:A Lifetime of Systems Thinking by visualradio on Sunday June 06, 2021 @09:18PM (#27417989)
The basis of systems thinking is considering the relation of parts to the whole, and the relation of the whole to the parts. Classically it was simply referred to as 'geometry'. The author distinguishes 'corporation' from 'employees and customers' in following sentence. This implies that corporate managers, employees, and customers are separate parts of a larger system and that use of term manager likely referred to the employers which employ the employees and not also to the employees which metaphorically employ the equipment.