Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by quacked on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:59PM
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I wouldn't even go that far. We have to remember where this information is coming from. This is the U.S. Military. We don't have "pilot confirmation", we have files, transcripts, and audio that are allegedly pilot confirmation.
Given the amount of evidence released so far, which seems more likely?
- Alien civilization
- Some other form of hyper-advanced technology
- The U.S. Military and/or various U.S. intelligence agencies are perpetrating a hoax in order to further some kind of strategic goal
I know which one I'm picking, barring much more widely acknowledged and damning evidence.
Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by gfodor on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:05PM
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Well, you've gotta dig but these reports now by the US military are highly similar to other reports that have leaked out over the decades from on-the-record military officers from the US and other states. The reason this is a noteworthy topic now all of a sudden is precisely because the US military is making these claims - the material claims are not new but have been brushed off for the usual reasons.
Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by quacked on Friday June 04, 2021 @09:51PM
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I definitely can't claim to know anything, but I would have a very hard time believing that other claims that are similar to these aren't part of a wider agenda.
To be clear, I'm fairly conspiracy-friendly. I am just very skeptical of this new tech angle.
More reports from states that have obviously opposed the US would definitely make me think more about the veracity of the leaked "evidence".
Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by mladen5 on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:54PM
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Most of conspiracy theories narrative was being controlled by Russia in recent years and now USA wants some of that.
Probably with nothing to gain but conspiracy theories is all i hear from boomers these days.
Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by gfodor on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:04PM
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I love the way you are thinking about this, and you're a really solid skeptic! I hope we get more people questioning this the way you have, instead of saying it's clouds :)
Re:No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelli...
by thelastinuit on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:29PM
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Any of them is... terrifing. damn. i hope it's just nothing.
But of course alien civilizations—or (non-human?) co-terrestrial civilizations—are such an extraordinary hypothesis that I do not see why they should be treated as more plausible than (as you note) something like shared delusions.
Let me expand upon that a bit. My (tongue in cheek) explanation is this:
Humans have an undiscovered facility for shared perceptual delusions and (seemingly deliberate) confabulation. That is to say, individuals with shared cultural contexts may respond to the same environmental triggers (weird reflections, social stressors, I don't know!) by hallucinating the same things. Moreover, upon experiencing such a hallucination, some subjects will confabulate corroboratory evidence, perhaps even (unconsciously) going so far as to tamper with radar recordings or (unconsciously) colluding with other "witnesses"—and individuals who engage in this confabulation have no memory or recollection of it later.
This is a totally wild explanation, and I don't actually believe it. But is it as plausible as alien civilizations? I sorta think so!