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Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by pfdietz on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:15AM (#27394422)
The housing market in Ithaca, NY (where Cornell is) has become very tight.

One sad thing about university access these days is that so much library content is electronic, and not accessible to the general public, even if they walk into a physical library on campus.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by wing-_-nuts on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:31AM (#27394597)
>so much library content is electronic, and not accessible to the general public

This is an irrationally huge deal to me. There's so much material one has student access to at a decent college library. I, as 'Joe Public' am locked out of almost all of it and am forced to scrounge around on less-than-legal websites for books and papers. It's infuriating. Hell, I'd pay to have that access, but many universities adamantly refuse to provide it, even at cost.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by chrisseaton on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:37AM (#27394682)
University libraries will often have 40x copies of an essential textbook, because they know they have 40x students taking that course. I guess if you let random people use the library that becomes a problem.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by monknomo on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:48AM (#27394824)
I think the traditional solution is library memberships that don't permit you to checkout the books, but do provide you with access to books and resources provided you stay in the library. Reading rooms and all that
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by tyingq on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:29PM (#27395333)
It's pretty rare, at least for my kids, that a course has an actual book you can hold in your hands. They all use a DRM scheme and require some Nth edition that's new (and probably only has a few minor changes from N-1). Sometimes we can find it on Library Genesis, often we can't. There's almost never an actual book.

Somebody is rent seeking.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by chrisseaton on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:33PM (#27395375)
Does this not apply in computer science? Is it something you get in fields like law? When I think of the key text books in computer science they usually just have two editions max and have been set in stone for a couple of decades as the basics aren't changing.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by tyingq on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:45PM (#27395530)
Not sure, none of my kids are CS.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by pfdietz on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:10PM (#27396843)
That was to inhibit resale of used books.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by sumtechguy on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:13PM (#27397817)
That and the tests. Many teachers like the pre canned tests these books come with (please finish problems 10-50 even by the next class). Now it is online run by the publisher. Cheating is now even more rampant than it was before the code thing with many sites having the answers.

I would wait 1-2 weeks after class started to buy books. Especially if the teacher decided you need 6 of them to finish the class. It was usually pretty clear which ones they were going to use by that point.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by joe_the_user on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:59PM (#27402037)
University libraries will often have 40x copies of an essential textbook

If that's true, it's a huge change from when I was in the university. But it seems implausible in the extreme, IE, I'd call bs here. University libraries wouldn't want to buy class textbook 'cause they're worthless at the end of the term. Students are expected to buy (electronic, DRM'd) textbooks are at student stores, not check them out of libraries. Libraries are not expected to service individual course but to be places of general research. Professors have the whole Internet to give links for supplemental material. Photocopied "Course Readers" is another avenue.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by chrisseaton on Saturday June 05, 2021 @12:50AM (#27402304)
> But it seems implausible in the extreme

Implausible in the extreme to have forty or so copies of a book?

And most textbooks aren’t republished every year. You can use them from one year to the next. Why would they be worthless at the end of the term?

Think of a classic CS text like the Dragon Book. They’re on the second edition since 1986.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by sidpatil on Saturday June 05, 2021 @06:53AM (#27403894)
I suppose it depends on the material. Textbooks for intro-level general courses (e.g. calculus, physics, statistics, etc.) tend to get republished yearly.

Since the fundamentals of the material are unlikely to change within the span of a year, the revisions to the textbooks are mostly cosmetic in nature—updated graphic design, rearranged problem sets (to deter the used book market), etc.

Also note: I'm speaking about the US. Things could very well be different elsewhere.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by Tycho on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:43AM (#27394762)
I think they meant electronic sources that you can only access if you are a student or faculty member at the university.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by bilbo0s on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:06PM (#27395040)
That has to do with licensing and copyright. Whether that is good or bad is not really for the university to decide. They have to adhere to the contract.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by vladvasiliu on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:36PM (#27395416)
The library of the university to which I went used to have one or two books out of X which wouldn't be available for check out, only for reading on site.

Sure, if a bunch of random people show up and take them all at the same time, which prevents actual students from using them, it may be a problem. In practice, I don't remember ever having this issue.

Access to the library was free for all, you didn't have to be a student or anything.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by kar5pt on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:39AM (#27394712)
I my opinion this helps fuel the rise of misinformation. How can you expect the average citizen to be informed when they're locked out of the most credible information sources? The academic publishing system is complicit in the disinformation age.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by cle on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:58AM (#27394932)
In my observations, unfortunately most of the people spreading misinformation are not really interested in "the truth", but in re-affirming what they already think is the truth. This applies equally to "all sides". This is also compounded by a widespread erosion of institutional trust (whether justified or not).

So I don't think it would really help much.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by phone8675309 on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:48PM (#27395592)
> Hell, I'd pay to have that access

If it's a public university then your tax dollars already do.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by stinkytaco on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:56PM (#27395719)
Most vendors license based on students served, not public that pays taxes. If a university is licensing content based on the number of students or faculty at the university, it's likely that they are not allowed to offer it to tax payers. I understand your point is that you are paying, but that will not mean you can walk into a university and demand access. They would need to renegotiate with the vendor.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by mbreese on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:38PM (#27397318)
Many public universities allow public access to all resources when you are physically at the library. Their licenses are broad enough (and expensive enough) to allow access to anyone from campus. Also, if you're on campus, it can be difficult to determine who is a student / staff, etc...
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by charwalker on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:14PM (#27396918)
The college library in my hometown had public access via a paid card. It was inexpensive and about equal to the cost students paid in fees each year or their access. I know a few local authors that heavily relied on that library for researching their works. I bet many college libraries have similar programs or could be motivated by locals to add the option.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by Scoundreller on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:21PM (#27395218)
Don’t pay ‘em, join ‘em.

I take 1 student a year for practice placements for a month and the university gives me full library access.

Work out a sharing system with your colleagues and you could get this access for 1 rotation every 5+ years.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by wing-_-nuts on Friday June 04, 2021 @01:04PM (#27395838)
I've considered signing up for college classes in retirement, not only for library access but also to get access to the student health plans, which are remarkably cheap compared to ACA plans.

The only question is whether the cost of the college courses exceed the benefit of the cheaper health insurance, and whether I wish to dedicate the time to take the classes

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by threwaway4392 on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:08PM (#27395061)
A friend is a faculty and says the institution online access to books and articles often does not work. Login issues, VPN issues, cookie issues if you started the VPN after trying to access the paywalled paper (might work in incognito mode but not in normal windows), and so on. Thankfully sci-hub and libgen are easier to get the information quickly.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by mcast on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:36AM (#27394666)
I've noticed a trend where university libraries are being more closed off to the public and only students with valid IDs for safety reasons.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by Jtsummers on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:26PM (#27395285)
That's incredibly unfortunate. Is this also true for local K-12 students? In high school I lived near universities and recall my parents [0] taking me to the library to do research/reading on various topics. Including checking out books. I never did that as an adult without any kind of school affiliation, though. Mostly because until recently I didn't live near a university (or near enough for it to make sense to drive to).

[0] I didn't have a driver's license, too young at the first high school, and insurance was too much for my parents or me to afford at the second.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by ghaff on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:47PM (#27395573)
At my undergrad school, which was pretty open for physical access pre-COVID (who knows what happens now), I'd need to pay for a borrowing card to actually check out a book. And electronic access seems to have been tightened up. You used to be able to access most of their electronic catalog from a public terminal on the local network but you couldn't seem to do that last time I tried maybe about 18 months ago. (It wasn't a big deal so I didn't feel like bothering a librarian.)

And some universities will definitely require ID to enter the library.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by wheelinsupial on Saturday June 05, 2021 @05:12PM (#27408492)
At the UBC libraries, at least when I was studying there, it was common to see students yelling and running around in a hurry after returning from the washroom. Laptops, iPads, and cell phones left out in the open were common targets for thieves.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by ghaff on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:22AM (#27394486)
Even universities that are pretty open about physical library access tend to require credentials for electronic access. The one I use sometimes used to be pretty open so long as you were physically in a library but last I checked they seemed to have clamped down. I could probably get a day pass--I'm an alumnus--but it's definitely gotten tighter.
Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by havocsupreme on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:25PM (#27401841)
I think there's a difference between "university" libraries and "public" libraries in that university libraries are private for students who've paid their tuition (and faculty/staff), while public libraries are for the general public. I don't mean to be snarky, please let me know if you disagree with how the terminology works.

Edit: I also think it may be for safety reasons, they want only those authorized to be there to have access. This is most seen in closed universities where most/all buildings require IDs.

Re:The rise of remote work may reshape college towns by waynesonfire on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:22AM (#27394489)
that sucks, are you unable to create an account as a non-student?