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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by Jcowell on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:03AM (#27382397)
A criminal is not some who allegedly breaks laws but someone who is convicted of breaking the law. Even if you were arrested by police you still aren’t a criminal.
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by stretchwithme on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:19PM (#27383599)
If a person is committing crimes, they're a criminal.
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by optimiz3 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:51PM (#27384047)
Allegedly. What is a transgression of the law and whether a law is just or valid can be open to interpretation, which is why we have juries.
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by stretchwithme on Thursday June 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#27384721)
No. If I had said someone allegedly committed a crime, they allegedly are a criminal.

If I see them murdering someone, I'm not going to say to myself "That person is allegedly a criminal".

I am allowed to think, to have an opinion about reality.

There's also no need to call them a suspect if you just saw a person committing a crime.

When you haven't yet proved that a specific person did it, they're a suspect. The crime is alleged.

But not when you KNOW it. I'm not saying newspapers should say that or a court should say that. I'm saying I have no problem describing what I see.

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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by nojokes on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:55PM (#27388896)
> If I see them murdering someone, I'm not going to say to myself "That person is allegedly a criminal".

Maybe you saw wrong? Hmm?

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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by netizen-936824 on Friday June 04, 2021 @07:11AM (#27392424)
Oh not him! His eyesight and memory are infallible!
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by stretchwithme on Friday June 04, 2021 @05:55PM (#27399516)
When witnesses give testimony in court, they simply relate what they saw. They do not need to couch it CYA language.

I did notice that your statement is pretty confident about what I think. No "allegedly" required. No "I suspect he believes X and Y". These imaginary rules don't seem to apply to you.

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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by stretchwithme on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:55AM (#27394206)
If I discover that the person is actually not dead, I would certainly think my conclusion.
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by nojokes on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:14AM (#27394414)
Have you considered that maybe you could not recognize the person correctly?
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Re:Amazon Ring’s neighborhood watch app is making police req... by stretchwithme on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:25PM (#27397983)
Have you considered that my statement was about the person that I saw?
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