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Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by ggm on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @06:16PM (#27374720)
The plan has obstacles.

Finance is highly conditional on the sale of the power, but the power can't be sold until the project is complete for the long-haul subsea HVDC cable. So the capital works have to be done to completion before any income (not entirely unusual, but it stands out there is little phased income in this project as-is)

It has to compete with other plans to use PV to run H2 production and sell the gas to other markets displacing gas and oil. Possibly this could be a revenue stream while the cable is being built, but it begs a question of "why build the cable" -And its other capital funding this alternate build. It might "cruel" the market for this project

The cable has to go past several economies which would want a tap but who also extract ground-rent for subsea work. Indonesia is notoriously difficult about cable maintenance. So, there is potential for revenue to ID markets for electricity and at a significant discount of cable cost because it's so much closer: begs another question: why send the power to SG, when you can sell it to ID?

Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by Keppl8R on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @06:59PM (#27375069)
I wonder why they don't build and sell power to the local market in Australia and then use those funds to build the cable?
Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by jlawer on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:20PM (#27375230)
The NEM (National Energy Market) is doing fairly well on rooftop and PV Solar. Current growth is actually causing problems as typical base load power (coal & combined cycle gas) are becoming uneconomical during solar hours. As the NEM covers the east coast and south Australia (at least major population centres), that doesn't leave much place to sell it. WEM (Western Australian Energy Market) is more regulated and have their own PV capacity.

The only way this could be economical into Australia would be if it had an energy storage capacity. Someone might do the math and build a battery to be powered from this and inject into one of the grids, but longer term, if it is to supply singapore, it makes more sense to put the batteries at the singaporian end.

Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by danfo on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:15PM (#27376056)
Here's a link to NEM mix this week in case anyone else is interested:

https://opennem.org.au/energy/nem/?range=7d&interval=30m

Maybe power from further away could help toward replacing the base power. A little more sunlight for the east coast peak. Less chance of a cloud or a still day on the east coast causing an issue like Callide coal exploding the other day. Yeah it is a stretch (literally thousands of kilometres).

If we're being ambitious, I'm excited about off-shore wind. If end game for NEM is 2/3 wind and 1/3 solar (with storage/hydro/gas in single-digit percentages filling the gaps) there are many inevitable projects and growing pains to come.

Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by hazbot on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:08PM (#27375145)
A lot of the local markets in Australia are further away from the NW corner than Singapore!
Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by ggm on Friday June 04, 2021 @05:18AM (#27391935)
There isn't currently a national network. There's the eastern seaboard with S.A. and there's W.A. we don't routinely send power these distances in Australia.
Re:The $23BN Plan to Power Singapore from Australia by toomuchtodo on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:11PM (#27375166)
> why send the power to SG, when you can sell it to ID?

SG is wealthier and also burns quite a bit of natural gas (demand is roughly 6-8GW constantly [1]).

[1] https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/SG?wind=false&solar=fals...