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Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by not_kurt_godel on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:24PM (#27372886)
Would it? For some businesses, the reality is going to be that paying is necessary to continue to exist. What happens when that option, as crappy as it is, is off the table?
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:28PM (#27372935)
> the reality is going to be that paying is necessary to continue to exist. What happens when that option, as crappy as it is, is off the table?

Insurance. Back-ups. Bail outs. Go out of business. That ransom paid has negative externalities that manifest nationally.

Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by OminousWeapons on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:24PM (#27373618)
You won't even be able to get private insurance if the industry has to insure against complete destruction of a given business. Are you expecting the US gov to backstop every business regardless of size against ransomware? Who is going to pay for that?

Additionally, how do you protect against the obvious opportunities for fraud and abuse (business deliberately attacks itself to collect the insurance payout, business hits their competitors to drive them out of business, etc)?

Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by samstave on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:40PM (#27373752)
>"insure against complete destruction of a given business."

Isnt that what fire/flood insurance is for?

Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by OminousWeapons on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:50PM (#27373856)
Fire and flood insurance protect against discrete or regional risks whereas ransomware will potentially disrupt operations globally, and actually most private insurers won't offer flood insurance to large swaths of the US because the risk has been deemed to be too high. The US gov insures against coastal flooding at GREAT expense to the tax payer.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by detaro on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:53PM (#27373890)
I wonder what the biggest company is that's totally dependent on a single location (or locations in the same flood zone) and at the same time is usefully insured against such destruction.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by samstave on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:57PM (#27375920)
Ports?

Take out a port, and screw an entire region.

Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:42PM (#27373775)
You would be able to get affordable private insurance if you had a cyber security team.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by detaro on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:51PM (#27373871)
Various providers of "cyber insurance" are right now busy getting rid of ransomware coverage because it turns out offering that isn't working for them. and yes, they do require companies to have cyber security infrastructure and audits.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @05:24PM (#27374202)
That would imply that cyber security isn't effective in mitigating these attacks then, no?
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by OminousWeapons on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @05:43PM (#27374369)
It suggests it is a difficult problem to stop. As I understand it, attackers now frequently perform an initial compromise and then manually escalate privileges before launching a ransomware attack for greater impact. Alternatively, the attacker will sell privileged access to a ransomware group. This isn't someone from HR opening a malicious attachment and getting the whole company owned via eternal blue.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by detaro on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @05:46PM (#27374393)
At least it suggests that the current standards and auditing practices are not sufficient, and apparently formulating testable requirements is difficult.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by orblivion on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:58PM (#27373322)
How about, companies who pay ransoms get a fine that's 10x the ransom. It slides up toward 1000x over two years. Kind of like deprecating an API slowly by decreasing its responsiveness.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:18PM (#27375649)
Then you go out of business. That's what is supposed to happen in capitalism when you run your business badly.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by not_kurt_godel on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:48PM (#27388446)
Sounds like maybe not the best for people who work at the company and whose livelihoods depend on it (especially, of course, those whose purview has nothing to do with cybersecurity).
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by api on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:38PM (#27373053)
A few businesses die. The rest get the message that security matters. The ransomware industry is deprived of revenue.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by MattGaiser on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:46PM (#27373160)
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by orblivion on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:53PM (#27373245)
The followup controversy will be government agencies and massive companies getting "too big to fail" exemptions.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by DFHippie on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @05:18PM (#27374160)
If we're allowing government agencies to fail we're in pretty crappy shape.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by kwhitefoot on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:17AM (#27379185)
In which case there are no investors so just wipe all the computers and start again.
Re:Massachusetts Steamship Authority hit by ransomware attac... by api on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:48PM (#27373184)
The physical ferries still exist, right? Transfer them to a new agency.