They're both arrogant unfortunately. I thought the views of Neil on UFOs, like the views of Joe on psychics were really low value. They're both engaging in "let's selectively ignore evidence and witnesses to preserve existing biases and our existing preferred beliefs" but neither of them see it. They're a mirror of each other: Neil wants to gaslight on UFOs, and Joe wants to gaslight on psychics. And their big platform and audience everyone laps it up. Really, truly sad. But hey, it's OK. People step towards truth but slowly.