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Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by zabzonk on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:22PM (#27328710)
Back in the 1970s I owned all of Dick's novels, and all short stories available in collections (which is quite a lot of stuff!) I'm not a book collector - I bought them because at the time he was my favourite writer.

Just recently, I've started re-reading them on my Kindle. I've just finished "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", and while I enjoyed it, I have to say it wasn't as good as I remember. Next up is "A Scanner Darkly", so we shall see how things go.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by pmoriarty on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:53PM (#27328933)
I strongly recommend reading Ubik. To me it is his strongest and most consistently good book.

I used to love The Three Stigmata too, but when I tried to read it again recently I couldn't get in to it either. I do think you have to be in the right mood to savor a Dick book, so maybe I was in the wrong mood that time.

The other first-tier PKD book for me is Martian Time-Slip.

Second-tier PKD books for me are VALIS and Galactic Pot Healer.

Third-tier are Maze of Death, Eye in the Sky, and Divine Invasion (the 2nd in the VALIS trilogy.. didn't like the 3rd in the series, The Transmigration of Timothy Archer at all).

Many of his other books, like Lies, Inc, also have great parts in them, but are kind of inconsistent.

Some of his short stories are excellent. My favorites:

- Beyond Lies the Wub

- Roog

- The Father Thing

- Faith of Our Fathers

I didn't really like A Scanner Darkly, nor Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep and would consider them of minor import had not movies been made of them. Other books in this category are Now Wait for Last Year (made in to Total Recall) and Time Out of Joint (made in to The Truman Show.. though the book is much darker). The movie Minority Report was based on another minor short story of his, as The Terminator might have been partially based on his story Second Variety.

Virtually all of the movies made from his work only bear only a very slight resemblance to the originals, which tends to be a lot darker, a lot less action-filled, and much more thought-provoking than the Hollywood adaptations.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by Jtsummers on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:57PM (#27328957)
Total Recall was based on We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, not Now Wait for Last Year.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by pmoriarty on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:06PM (#27329015)
I think you're probably right. It's been a really long time since I read these books and could use a bit of artificial memory myself.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by rkk3 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @10:17PM (#27330060)
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by zabzonk on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:06PM (#27329017)
Probably my favourite PKD short story (and certainly the most frightening) is "Upon the Dull Earth" which shares some ideas with "Stigmata"

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Upon_the_Dull_Earth

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by pmoriarty on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:26PM (#27329144)
For me the most frightening PKD story was Faith of Our Fathers, but I haven't read Upon the Dull Earth. I wonder how they compare.

Looks like Upon the Dull Earth can be read here: [1] and Faith of Our Fathers here: [2]

Well, I just read Upon the Dull Earth, and found it to be an interesting story. Like many PKD books I've read, it starts out pretty weak and a little boring, but gets a lot better and weirder as it goes along (except for the very beginning of this story, which is also weird and interesting).

I found the dialogue and writing to be pretty awkward and stilted, and the first half to be kind of predictable. The main interesting idea is the big twist towards the end, and of course the very ending of the story, where that idea is taken to its limit.

Overall, I liked Faith of Our Fathers much more. I think it's a deeper, more compellingly told story.

[1] - https://philipkdickfans.com/mirror/gutenberg/Upon_The_Dull_E...

[2] - http://sickmyduck.narod.ru/pkd020-0.html

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by slibhb on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:05PM (#27330267)
> I didn't really like A Scanner Darkly, nor Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep and would consider them of minor import had not movies been made of them.

Yeah, a different opinion: these are his best novels, along with Ubik and The Man in the High Castle.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by TchoBeer on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:50AM (#27331701)
The Man in the High Castle had probably the worst ending of any book I've ever read, it's really incredible how the book takes such a sharp nosedive in the last 2-3 dozen pages
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by GlennS on Sunday May 30, 2021 @01:37AM (#27330870)
I don't know about The Terminator, but Screamers is based on Second Variety.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by TchoBeer on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:20PM (#27329467)
I don't know if Blade Runner is less dark than Do Androids Dream. The main difference between is the omission of Mercerism and the Empathy Box, imo.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by cgh on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:00PM (#27330254)
You wouldn’t rank Dr. Bloodmoney in the first tier?
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by pmoriarty on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:20PM (#27330321)
I liked Dr Bloodmoney, but I don't remember how much.. so, no I wouldn't rank it in the first tier. But it was a book I enjoyed, so it wouldn't be in the bottom of my list of PKD books I read. Somewhere in the middle.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by B1FF_PSUVM on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:45PM (#27328854)
Back then I used to read a lot of SF and didn't think much of P.K. Dick's writing. His stories had a tinge of paranoid fantasy about them, and felt implausible, rushed and disjointed, compared with more standard SF fare. I think this wasn't an uncommon perception.

The movie guys, in spite of all the derision they get for bumbling and fumbling, were on the mark spotting a powerful source of mana, and made hay from PKD's chaff.

Lem, being a genius in his own right and honed sharp by life in Soviet-watched Eastern Europe, was able to disregard the "shoddiness of the props" and get to the potency of the spell.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by pmoriarty on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:33PM (#27329193)
"His stories had a tinge of paranoid fantasy about them, and felt implausible, rushed and disjointed, compared with more standard SF fare."

They're a lot more comprehensible and relatable if you've ever had a bad trip on psychedelics.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by elbasti on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:07PM (#27330275)
One of my favourite anecdotes about Lem+Dick is that while Lem held PKD in high regard, PKD thought Lem didn't exist.[0].

He was convinced, in paranoid-Dickian-realityisweird fashion that Lem was actually a committee of people, and a Soviet hoax, not an individual.

0: https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is...

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by robocat on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:19AM (#27331567)
At the bottom of that article: “[Dick wrote that he was] approached in 1972 by a representative of a neo-Nazi organisation who pressured Dick into placing coded messages involving ‘politics, illegal weapons, etc’ into his future novels. He linked this organisation to a series of robberies which happened at his home in California”. Wow.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by vlunkr on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:58PM (#27328971)
A Scanner Darkly is my favorite book of his (that I've read so far). I think because it's a bit longer than most so there's more time to develop characters. It's got such a sad and interesting tone.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by robocat on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:10PM (#27329036)
I loved the movie too. I was really pleased I read the book first because although the movie is a really good rendition, I feel it would be hard to comprehend certain parts of the movie without knowing the book.

The acknowledgements page after the ending of the book is brutally heart breaking: he mentions all the friends he lost to psychosis and death, due to the drugs they all took together.

I also find that the book remains a fantastic read a second or third time - which I only find worthwhile doing with a few books.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by zabzonk on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:43PM (#27329259)
Yeah, I thing that movie is the best rendition of a PKD novel I have ever seen, partly because it is so weird, and partly because it captures some of the black humour of the novel.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by kevinventullo on Sunday May 30, 2021 @01:45AM (#27330909)
I just finished ASD and felt the same way about the acknowledgments page. It absolutely changed how I thought about the book.
Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by dayofthedaleks on Sunday May 30, 2021 @07:28AM (#27332467)
“A Scanner Darkly” captures a moment in American drug culture intersecting with the cult of Scientology very artistically, in my opinion.

“Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said” is among Dick’s peak stuff, too.

Re:Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) by rantwasp on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:35PM (#27329209)
The Three Stigmata is IMHO his best work. It’s like reality itself dissolves as you read it.