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Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:01PM (#27319815)
> Men tend to be ok with dying at work. I’m exaggerating a bit but historically, we were doing nothing about safety in 1800s until women started working in factories too.

> I’m focussing on men because they die 11-18x more than women is all Western countries, but most of those deaths were in worker jobs, and if we include service industry, I’m sure the difference is tighter. But still a multiple.

I think you need to qualify those deaths a bit. On a long enough timeline men and women all day at the same rate. If it's while at work that absolutely makes sense given that women didn't "work" like men did until recently.

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by alexpetralia on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:01PM (#27320447)
"On a long enough time line", like infinity?

Certainly under any and all finite time periods, the rates would differ.

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:05PM (#27320499)
Yeah, that's why a claim of 11-18x really needs bounds to have value as well.
Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by hervature on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:19PM (#27319985)
Your argument is “when the human species dies, half the deaths will be men and half the deaths will be women”. That is a silly statement. Life expectancy among men is lower than women in every country except Afghanistan [1]. The necessary imbalance caused is that women spend more of their lives single. Either later in life or some women the entirety of theirs.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:35PM (#27320154)
No, they said:

> I’m focussing on men because they die 11-18x more than women in all Western countries, but most of those deaths were in worker jobs, and if we focus on the office workers (and WFH candidates), I’m sure the difference is tighter. But still a multiple.

I asked that they qualify the deaths - men don't die 11-18x more than women - they die the exact same - 100%. Age range it, provide bounds to that statistic. Because even "while working" doesn't make sense if less women work than men.

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by laurent92 on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:50PM (#27320321)
At work.

Example: In France, there are about 500 deaths at work, 40 are women. It’s getting lower in general but actually increasing for women until before the Covid, as equality makes progress in worker positions.

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by walshemj on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:21PM (#27321648)
That's because men wok in high risk industries.
Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by Jiocus on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:26PM (#27320726)
Fewer women die in total, than men. This is because roughly 51% of all births are boys, 49% girls.
Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by munk-a on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:28PM (#27320099)
I think it's actually pretty likely that women are just built better than men. I can't even attempt to explain why but it just appears that a lot of ailments that affect men tend to be rather minimized in women after they pass through menopause.

I don't know if it's actually fair to try and ascribe expected lifetimes to lifestyle when there are some pretty clear biological differences - this strikes me as a sort of Occam's Razor situation.

Re:Overwork contributes to 745k premature deaths per year by laurent92 on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:00PM (#27320438)
It’s pretty likely we care about women. The modern ad campaign testify a lot of this behavior.

There was a woman who did immense progress for the miners and factory workers, organizing demonstrations and strikes. But she had never had success trying to attract attention of the number of limbs lost or lives lost. No-one cared than men were severing their bodies at work and living disabled. Then she stated wording it this way:

“When a man dies at work, it’s a WIFE and little CHILDREN who can’t eat.”

Then men started improving safety.