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Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by bobthepanda on Thursday May 27, 2021 @09:13PM (#27310674)
A dictionary is supposed to clarify meaning. How many people know what the meaning of fop is these days? It’s not very common in books these days. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Fop&year_start...

A synonym for fop in that article is macaroni. If the entry said “a sandal worn by macaroni” it would be extremely confusing for a modern reader.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday May 28, 2021 @03:10AM (#27312556)
> How many people know what the meaning of fop is these days?

Yep. the issue seems to be that while Ancient Greek is a dead language, English is a moving target. Since 1889, words like "fop" fall out of favour, words like "gay" acquire a secondary meaning (edit, actually another secondary meaning) that in time replaces the original primary one, changing the reader's perception of a definition.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Friday May 28, 2021 @03:26AM (#27312633)
> How many people know what the meaning of fop is these days?

I don't know. I do, and I'm not a native speaker. And people using Greek dictionaries probably skew towards being pretty well read.

But that's besides the point, since I suggested using some other word if they found "fop" offensive.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by bobthepanda on Friday May 28, 2021 @03:42AM (#27312731)
The full sentence describing the editing in the article starts with “antiquated and offensive language”, which one might interpret to mean the removed words were both of those things, or one could also interpret that antiquated language and offensive language were removed as two possibly overlapping sets.

The point of the dictionary is to use “contemporary English” since it’s used as a reference in schools. I’ve definitely seen “fop” before but in high school I wouldn’t say it’s something that I could remember without looking it up in a second dictionary, so it’s not that useful of a defining term. All this offensive or nonoffensive is mountains out of a molehill.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:21AM (#27312975)
Again, my suggestion was to use different words, instead of just removing them.