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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by Closi on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:32PM (#27308833)
The answer is quite simple in all these cases - it doesn't. A self driving car shouldn't be operating on some mysterious black-box AI interpretation of the intention of (often ambiguous) hand signals from drivers and police officers.

Any situation with hand-waving should be passed back to a human driver until the hand-waving can be eliminated with future laws and road rules. We aren't going to have full level-5 autonomy that's reliant on cameras interpreting people waggling their hands around.

The solution is that you architect a full system to allow for self driving, which will inevitably include changing how people interact with cars.

Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by henrikschroder on Thursday May 27, 2021 @09:35PM (#27310800)
Right, so you're saying that actual reality is too hard for self-driving systems to deal with, so we should change reality in order to coddle the self-driving cars so that they can handle it.

...which reinforces the point me and the grandparent post was making: You can't solve self-driving without AGI.

Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by Closi on Friday May 28, 2021 @03:40AM (#27312724)
We change reality all the time to adapt to new technology - this is why we interacted with the first computers via punch cards rather than microphones and cameras. Were we coddling computers? Kind of, but solutions have to be a combination of what is possible.

I guess there is a sliding scale with self driving cars:

* Low technology, high societal or infrastructure change (for example we could build a totally different road network and dig cables into it, not practical but possible with technology 20 years ago!) * Medium technology, medium societal or infrastructure change. * High technology, low societal or infrastructure change. * Very high technology, no/little societal or infrastructure change (eg AGI that can interpret hand signals).

All of these are possible versions of self driving cars - there is no “one” solution. Having AGI and going for the last bullet point isn’t the only option.

As an example, when the 1950s imagined robotic vacuum cleaning they pictured a standing robot that would use your existing appliances - so they might have said “we need to work out how to pick up and use a household vaccum cleaner in order to make a useful household robot, which requires AGI!”. We now know that a better solution is the roomba, and AGI isn’t required.

I personally think we will inevitably need some level of societal change, legislation change and possibly even infrastructure change to make self driving cars happen sooner.