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Re:An utterly crushing day for Big Oil by Cthulhu_ on Thursday May 27, 2021 @04:19AM (#27300570)
The thing with the Shell decision is that even if the decision stands, all Shell has to do is put their emission producing refineries into a different company, they can wash their hands off it then. CO2 emissions? We only sell petrol which we buy from this other company.

Or other paperwork trickery, either way, they'll get away with things. Of course, by 2030 the market will have shifted towards electric vehicles by a lot already.

Re:An utterly crushing day for Big Oil by jerven on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:11AM (#27300817)
Paperwork trickery will be harder, as they can't be subsidiaries. So it has to be a real sale to a real external company. This takes time and money and basically means getting out of the refinery business. This doesn't change anything for the shell rotterdam facilities as they still need to co-operate.

Basically, in the worst case is just a number of months delay for all petro investments. While all the green stuff can go ahead. Already a real impact, even if it is not so big in that case as expected.

Re:An utterly crushing day for Big Oil by marcus_holmes on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:36AM (#27300949)
yeah they can't do the thing that the miners do and put all the pollution in a subsidiary that then goes bankrupt.

Well, they can, but then all the refineries are in a bankrupt subsidiary and the objective is achieved anyway ;)

Re:An utterly crushing day for Big Oil by zidel on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:39AM (#27300960)
It looks like the decision includes scope 3 emissions, so in your example the refining would be included, as well as the emissions from burning the petrol
Re:An utterly crushing day for Big Oil by tda on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:02AM (#27300762)
The decision already applies to all of the 1100 holdings Shell has. The mother company is held responsible for all activities of the subsidiaries