people like the person you're replying to never want to understand why these countries became "shithole countries" in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

As a Brazilian, USA support in the 1964 military coup in Brazil is something that has negative consequences that endure to this day and will probably still last a few more decades.

> USA took Iranian independence

Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no?

> Afghanistan was better of before US took it

Which conflict you are talking about? War in Afghanistan started almost 50 years ago.

> now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in

Yeah, the US need to finish what it started. I think Trump decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan was a mistake.

> Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no?

This is incorrect. In 1953, the United States overthrew the democratically elected PM and installed a dictator. The Islamic Revolution was a response to that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

It is oversimplistic to say the Islamic Revolution was a response to that, because the Shah was already gone when Khomeini returned from exile. Rather, the general Iranian Revolution (with its heavy involvement of Communists and other secular movements) was a response to the Shah's dictatorship, and then the subsequent Islamic Revolution was a taking advantage of the resultant power vacuum.

I see, thanks.

Anyway, it does not disprove my point about countries which became dependent on US, and civil wars where one party is supported by the US.

Iran sold oil at basically the same price and with the same legal structure as Saudi Aramaco did. That shouldn't be surprising, both countries reliance on western expertise and capital investment lessened dramatically in the decade following the initial concessions; and with it, Iran and Saudi arabia were able to overturn the initial legal framework that favored UK and US investors. Iran and Saudi Arabia certainly did not give oil away.

As for Afghanistan, the taliban has only recently expanded its territorial base before 9/11. The afghan government of today controls more territory than the soviet backed state ever did; whose control only extended to the major population centers and connecting arteries.