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Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Monday May 24, 2021 @01:00PM (#27266821)
> How can you make money on linux?

Doesn't the vast majority of the world's commercial software run on Linux?

Re:WWDC21 by colejohnson66 on Monday May 24, 2021 @01:32PM (#27267247)
I’m skeptic of that. Adobe, Oracle, Altium, and MANY other enterprise level software suites are Windows only.
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Monday May 24, 2021 @01:45PM (#27267423)
You mean desktop software? What proportion of software use is that? Absolutely tiny, I'd imagine.
Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:01AM (#27272468)
Why would you think that?
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:35AM (#27274782)
What do you think it's running on? Data centres full of Macs and Windows machines?
Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @04:54PM (#27282509)
Why would most commercial software be on data center computers? Where do these assumptions come from?
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:24PM (#27282881)
I don't understand - do you think most services are run from someone's random desktop? That's not the way it works in the real world.
Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:29PM (#27282931)
To be clear, you think most commercial software runs on linux because you think most commercial software is services running in data centers?
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @07:09PM (#27283956)
Data centres, back-office server cabinets, bank main-frames, embedded devices, POS, handled devices. Where do you think it's running? On Dell Opterons on people's desks running Windows? That's not how it's worked for decades.
Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @10:31PM (#27285492)
Not how what worked? 95% of desktops are windows or mac, 99% of mobile are android and iOS. That is computers sold, business included. What is this hallucination that all programs are some sort of command line chron job?

https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.asp...

Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:12AM (#27288498)
> 95% of desktops are windows or mac, 99% of mobile are android and iOS. That is computers sold, business included.

But that isn't where most software runs. Most people just run a browser or a couple of desktop apps locally.

The vast majority of software is embedded or in data centres, running on Linux or iOS as an exceptional case.

Think about how many services you interact with daily - how many websites, payment services, bank systems, networking systems, other online computer systems in your life. You probably interact with hundreds of such systems every day not always realising it. Compared to what... three or four desktop apps maybe?

Many poorer people don't even own a desktop or laptop at all - so they interact with zero desktop apps but still hundreds of services via their (Linux) phones.

> What is this hallucination that all programs are some sort of command line chron job?

That's literally what most programs are - services providing an API or a web UI running as a command line program in a data centre.

Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @12:26PM (#27292528)
To recap, you made a nonsensical hyperbolic statement that is heavily contradicted by real numbers of what computers people buy and use, then say that web pages served from open source software are "running commercial software" while the computers that display and run the web page don't count. Do I have all of this right?
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @01:07PM (#27293169)
Not sure why you're being so confrontational about this?

It's not about how many computers - it's about where most software is running - those are two different things.

> then say that web pages served from open source software are "running commercial software"

Yes websites are commercial software. I don't understand what's confusing about that? Facebook is commercial software. It runs on Linux. It makes billions of dollars. Thousands and thousands of engineers working on it are making money on Linux.

Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @04:17PM (#27295530)
So instead of commercial software you meant internal command line scripts and instead of running on you meant serving up web pages and instead of on linux, you meant using linux and open source web servers and instead of most commercial software you meant a single company that makes money and instead of numbers you meant guesses. Seems like a bit of a stretch. Seems like you just like to make nonsense claims and backpeddle instead of admitting they are ridiculous.
Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @04:23PM (#27295609)
Sorry your comment doesn't really make sense to me.

Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc, are all examples of massive successful commercial applications running on Linux.

The original question was 'How can you make money on linux?'

The answer is these companies and more make billions, and the employees make hundreds of thousands, all writing applications on Linux. Most developers I know make money writing applications on Linux.

Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @05:53PM (#27296581)
You originally said "most commercial software runs on linux" and when people told you that is a bold and possibly ridiculous thing to say, your response is 'these big websites make a lot of money and the people I know work on linux'.

Do you think that might not be indicative of the big picture? If you lived on the equator would you say "no one really needs a thick warm coat, no one I know has one" ?

I'm fascinated that you don't want to look beyond local anecdotes for real systemic information.

Re:WWDC21 by chrisseaton on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:19PM (#27296817)
Out of the top 25 websites in the world, only 2 aren’t using Linux.

96.3% of the world’s top 1 million servers run on Linux.

90% of all cloud infrastructure operates on Linux.

https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/linux-statistics/

Even at Microsoft they run most stuff on Linux.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-developer-reveals-li...

72% of phones are running Linux.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

Look at any tech jobs site. How many jobs are for writing Microsoft Windows or macOS desktop or iOS phone software compared to for writing Linux applications? A tiny tiny proportion.

Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:50PM (#27298444)
I was wondering when android would become "running on linux"
Re:WWDC21 by CyberDildonics on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:10PM (#27304702)
To be clear, if you were in a meeting at work and your boss asked you how to make money programming for linux, you would say to write Android apps, and you think that no one would roll their eyes from you purposely ignoring the point of the question to say something that is pragmatically nonsense and only makes sense in an extremely warped redefinition of a question?