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Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by TheOtherHobbes on Monday May 24, 2021 @10:57AM (#27265104)
You have to customise MacOS to show full file paths and hidden files. Someone at Apple decided that users couldn't be trusted with that super-secret information, but anyone who reads HN is going to find that frustrating.

I go back to Windows occasionally and I still hate every single thing about it. The tiles, the file system, the telemetry, the intrusive updates that guarantee I'll have to wait for an undefined time before I can get some work done, the driver lottery (still...) And many more.

MacOS is more of a workable OS with some really stupid warts. They should have been fixed years ago, but they probably won't be, ever.

Finder is particularly bad, and has needed a complete overhaul for at least a decade.

But Apple's other apps are heading in an MS-ish direction - which is more controlling and constraining, and less intuitive and transparent. It really shouldn't be as hard as it is to export photos from Photos, and the screen grabber should just allow saving to any file location instead of getting in the way with some random-ish defaults, one of which can be customised, if only you remember you need to.

This all reeks of second-rate middle management - untalented PMs trying to justify their existence with poorly-designed updates while more serious issues go unaddressed.

Apple are a weird company. When they're in the zone they can hit it out of the park, like with the M1. But - ironically - desktop UI design is not the model it could be. If MacOS 11 ever happens (not holding my breath...) it would be just as likely to be a step backwards as forwards.

Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by throwaddzuzxd on Monday May 24, 2021 @11:39AM (#27265627)
> the intrusive updates that guarantee I'll have to wait for an undefined time before I can get some work done

This is a common criticism but it's entirely false. Windows offers a lot more way to delay or refuse updates than macOS. When macOS wants to update, the best you can do is "Ask again tomorrow". And pray you see the popup before it reboots in 60 seconds.

Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by mthoms on Monday May 24, 2021 @12:40PM (#27266516)
I'm confused. If I click "ask again tomorrow", it asks again tomorrow.

But, I still haven't figured out how to delay Windows updates (granted I haven't looked into it seriously yet since I only use it for casual gaming).

The point is, the default UI allows users to delay they update on MacOS easily, while Windows does not.

Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by throwaddzuzxd on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:50AM (#27274872)
Windows Update has a clearly displayed "delay for 7 days" button. There's also advanced settings with more knobs.

macOS just nags you everyday.

Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by mthoms on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:20AM (#27277993)
Not on my system. I just get the updates. Shrug.
Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by dnh44 on Monday May 24, 2021 @12:04PM (#27266005)
FYI the most recent version of macOS (Big Sur) is v11.3; but I know what you mean.
Re:How Intuitive Are Macs Really? by BombNullIsland on Monday May 24, 2021 @11:51AM (#27265805)
"Fix The Effing Finder" has been a constant refrain from long term users all the way back to 10.1.5, they're never going to do it.