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Re:Exclusive: Inside the Military's Secret Undercover Army by graderjs on Monday May 24, 2021 @04:02AM (#27262033)
Cool, this is an interested perspective, thanks for the read. It was really good to get all that information. After reading that I'm more inclined to believe you with regard to operations on US citizens, and those done by the domestic LE/intelligence/security agencies.

I suppose a few other counterpoints I have are how I heard numerous times that Trump wasn't briefed into certain things because people in intelligence thought he might loud mouth about it. And secondly, I think the scope for discretion, noted by your, "it's the decisions that intelligence officers and the contract employees who support them do on their own initiative - that, and things that are done under the aegis of foreign governments." is actually pretty large. Especially when you consider that large multinational corporations might be contracted. I suppose I'm talking more about defense/security related tech programs, and less about actual intelligence operations, tho I threw in that obvious example to make a point. I'm prepared to accept that's how it used to be but no longer is with regard to the latter at least.

But on the technology/science side, I'm less convinced black SAPs have full-spectrum EB oversight. Does the EB really already know everything that goes on at Los Alamos? Nevada Test Site? Or various defense corporation facilities worldwide contracted and funded at least in part by the US government? I definitely think there are some people who have a large picture, but I don't believe it to be EB, unfortunately, as I said at first, for "democracy" :( ;p xx

How many layers within layers might those companies and programs have, where they are receiving funding and technology and not filtering the general picture back up to EB? I think there's a definite possibility of that, for sure! :p ;) xx

I'm going to go read a bit more about Awlaki, Church, Title 50. Thank you again!! :P ;) xx

Re:Exclusive: Inside the Military's Secret Undercover Army by leroy_masochist on Monday May 24, 2021 @10:54AM (#27265068)
With regard to Trump, there was a lot of media reporting around him being sloppy with classified material, etc -- and it's entirely possible that career intelligence professionals, aka the "deep state", took this into account when putting together briefings for him. But aside from that particular presidency, generally speaking, the commander in chief is almost never briefed on details of sources and methods for the most sensitive SAPs, simply because of the general principle of "need to know", i.e., if you want to keep something secret you should tell as few people about it as possible. With that said, the highest levels of the EB are certainly briefed on the key insights delivered by said SAPs.

As far as Los Alamos, aliens, etc -- super interesting topic. The recent UFO footage released by the Navy sure does make you wonder. Who knows....

Re:Exclusive: Inside the Military's Secret Undercover Army by graderjs on Monday May 24, 2021 @10:44PM (#27272101)
Cool, good to know. Thanks again! :) xx