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Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by edmundsauto on Saturday May 22, 2021 @05:09PM (#27250299)
To be clear, I didn't put forth my perspective, which is that crime and punishment and society is a very complex issue, and one that I'm not particularly well versed in. From what I do know, there are different theories of justice - utilitarian, retributive, justice, karmic, etc.

Drug laws might be an interesting litmus test. Their enforcement is pretty clearly bad for society, and causes all kinds of problems. Yet, because this health issue is mistakenly categorized as a moral failing, we all suffer the effects.

I'm curious to hear what you think about drug laws, especially in America.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by slibhb on Sunday May 23, 2021 @09:50AM (#27254995)
> To be clear, I didn't put forth my perspective, which is that crime and punishment and society is a very complex issue, and one that I'm not particularly well versed in. From what I do know, there are different theories of justice - utilitarian, retributive, justice, karmic, etc.

You did put forth your perspective.

> I think I must be misunderstanding. It sounds like you are saying that you’d prefer to cut off your nose to spite your face. (Punish criminals despite punishment being a net negative.)

This is utilitarian thinking, period.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by edmundsauto on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @01:45PM (#27279904)
"It sounds like you are saying" is a very different statement than "here is what I believe". For some reason, you want to project my beliefs on me - perhaps for the sake of an argument? Regardless, I don't think this is a fruitful thread for either of us.