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Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by vineyardmike on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:11PM (#27228609)
I drove through a few of the counties (eg. baker) mentioned in the article to visit a dog breeder, and the breeder had (nearly) her own highway exit. Complete with 2 overpasses. Must cost millions to build and maintain.

Her house was the only one visible for as far as you could see from that exit. All i could think about was how much better her life was for that exit and how all her total tax income forever could never ever come close to covering the costs society bore to build that exit.

I have always lived in very liberal, expensive, coastal cities and have always heard talking points about waste on welfare to cover poor inner-city americans (typically by rural/suburban conservatives), and all i could think was how backwards this was, and how many families could be fed by the cost of this one exit ramp.

Does this mean that society shouldn't build that ramp? I don't know because rural farmland obviously needs to access the rest of society (to ship food), and everyone sorta deserves to access the road system

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:32PM (#27228769)
There's a false dichotomy, because everyone in the US is subsidising a super-caste of 0.1%ers.

They're the ones who pay PR companies, think tanks, and other influencers to create the illusion of consensus narratives by generating these talking points and making sure they're repeated by various apparently independent sources.

It makes it almost impossible to argue the merits of public subsidy funding on its own terms because the truth about costs and benefits is aggressively obscured.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by swordsmith on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:06PM (#27229393)
> and the breeder had (nearly) her own highway exit

This is the key assumption on which your statements are based on. How do you know the state built it for her, rather than, she built her house next to the highway exit? I find it hard to believe that the state would build a highway exit specifically for a few normal individuals.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by vineyardmike on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:12PM (#27229784)
Obviously it is the other way around! She is just likely one of the only people who uses it since there is few others around
Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by aww_dang on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:51AM (#27231515)
This appears to be a variation of the "who would build the roads" argument.
Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by vineyardmike on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:19PM (#27229821)
I wish i could edit still.

My point was not to somehow cast this woman in a bad light, or claim that this exit shouldn't exist.

My point was...

(in my bubble) I hear the argument from conservatives that social welfare (for inner-city people getting checks) is bad because it takes away from everyone else, and wastes money.

I just wanted to point out that there is a lot more money subsidizing the livelihood a lot more people than just the poor city people getting some sort of social welfare check.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by rhexs on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:22PM (#27228700)
How many families are you going to feed with that extra million you saved now that the numerous farms you couldn’t see from the highway overpass can no longer ship food?

“I have always lived in very liberal, expensive, coastal cities” — please, please venture out of your safe bubble more, for the sake of all of us. Go tour a real farm, not the local micro-organic commune one nearby. See how they work.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by vineyardmike on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:11PM (#27229779)
Obviously we still need to be able to ship food, i said that.

I don't live in those cities by choice (well, i chose jobs there... lots of tech in BOS/SF/etc).