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Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by _qwfv on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:35PM (#27227622)
Ok, so say that. Or connect them to "American Values" concretely somehow.

Because right now they are just saying their opponents are "un-American" which means whatever it needs to mean without actually saying anything of substance.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by cratermoon on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:40PM (#27227682)
They put it that way on purpose, it's coded language, full of dog whistles. They don't say the quiet part out loud.
Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by sangnoir on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:29PM (#27230156)
It's amazing how some folk deny what the intention is - I guess the terms provide plausible deniability. Sometimes it's "real Americans" or "middle-class Americans", or "people in the heartland" - we all know which demography you're referring to (and everyone else you're excluding).
Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by cratermoon on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:45PM (#27240898)
Also "hard-working folks", "taxpayers", and "patriots"
Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by iammisc on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:43PM (#27228861)
> Ok, so say that. Or connect them to "American Values" concretely somehow.

The 1st amendment granting freedom to assemble? Free exercise of religion? The supreme court agreed when it struck down New York's and California's bans on religious gatherings, which also affected Oregon. So broadly speaking, these are correct by the highest authority on 'American'.

Perhaps this doesn't come to mind when you hear 'American values', but why would these counties care? You are almost certainly not their intended audience.

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by cratermoon on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:50PM (#27229302)
1. The first amendment gives "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." That's not the right of people to gather together wherever they want, whenever they want. Note the dependent clause. It's saying the people can join organizations like the CPUSA, People For the American Way, American Family Association, or even movements like BLM or antifa, and the government is not permitted to constrain that.

2. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means the government can't say which religions are OK and which aren't, or that there's an official religion of the US. It says nothing about people being able to go to church on Sunday or temples on Saturday