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Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by mikl on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:37PM (#27226044)
I’m sure all the crypto fans are lining up around the block to tell us that their pet technology doesn’t waste valuable resources, it just uses storage that would otherwise have gone unused, as they do with Bitcoin and electricity.
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by scohesc on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:58PM (#27226345)
I think it's funny how the world as a whole just simply moves the problem (excess resource usage for something a lot of people have deemed 'excessive' like bitcoin mining) from one type of resource to another. Now we're going to see storage costs skyrocket, which will (hopefully not) affect cloud storage providers, datacenters, etc. etc. etc.
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by throwaway894345 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:38PM (#27226895)
That would be a bummer, but if it doesn't exacerbate the energy/co2 problem I consider it a net benefit.
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by kevingadd on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:59PM (#27227157)
Manufacturing SSDs and platter drives is definitely not carbon neutral. Let's not even get into the problems with rare earth material extraction...
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by throwaway894345 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:02PM (#27227206)
In order to be considered a net benefit, it only needs to emit less carbon than compute-based mining. It doesn't need to be carbon neutral (and indeed, I don't think anyone posited that it was).
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by AlexandrB on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:11PM (#27227335)
That's a pretty low bar. To be a net benefit it should emit less carbon than traditional payment processing. If you set my house on fire you don't get to call saving my cat a "net benefit".
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by throwaway894345 on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:52AM (#27234786)
I don’t think you understand what “net benefit” means. It does not mean “the most optimal state”, it only means “better than the status quo”. In this case, the status quo for crypto is compute-based, so storage-based crypto is a net benefit if it beats compute-based crypto. Saying something is a net benefit doesn’t imply that it is optimal, so I’m specifically not suggesting that storage based crypto is optimal (indeed, I’m not even sure it is a net benefit; I only said “if it emits less carbon, then it very likely is a net benefit”).
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by spentrent on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:34PM (#27227612)
How much carbon is emitted by traditional payment processing?
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by AlexandrB on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:58PM (#27227941)
As an example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/881541/bitcoin-energy-co...

I'm sure modern, all digital, methods like Venmo or PayPal use even less.

Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by bluescrn on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:54PM (#27227888)
Less than the carbon that would be emitted by doing everything with physical banknotes, coins, and precious metals?
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by cageface on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:27PM (#27227513)
I'm extremely disappointed Bram Cohen is behind this. I used to really admire him for his work on Bittorrent but this is going to be an indelible asterisk on his legacy as a coder.
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by temp8964 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:38PM (#27226890)
So every conclusion to hard drive also applies to electricity? How do you establish the equivalency?
Re:Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting... by liaukovv on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:57PM (#27226327)
Computational resources too Actually pretty close to what some scifi writers envision(The Golden Oecumene by Wright comes to mind)