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Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak... by cecilpl2 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:22AM (#27222318)
My favorite example of one of the difficulties of learning English comes from my friend who's an adult ESL teacher.

Multiple adjectives always have to be in the order: opinion, size, age, shape, color, origin, material, purpose.

You can have a lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife, or a beautiful big new oval blue nylon sleeping bag. Those sound completely natural and intuitive, but any tweak to the order just sounds "wrong" to a native speaker. Try it!

If you have a "cardboard brown box", it sounds like the box is the color "cardboard-brown"! If you have an old little knife, it sounds like "little knife" is the kind of knife it is! Other tweaks change the implied meaning in a way that is completely opaque to a non-native speaker.

Why can't you have a "green rectangular French old silver little whittling lovely knife"?

Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak... by MeinBlutIstBlau on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:12PM (#27224890)
That word order this is not a hard and fast rule doesn't stick out at all if it's shifted.
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak... by PartiallyTyped on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:28PM (#27225136)
There are relationships that arise when you change the order, e.g. nylon blue sounds as if it's a shade of blue, but not a nylon that is some shade of blue.

However, I don't believe it is opague to a non-native speaker who has sufficient experience with the language.

Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak... by thethought on Thursday May 20, 2021 @12:53PM (#27223670)
Thank you for this. I did try a few combinations and it does sound funny in my head. Wondering how this ordering evolved for a non-native speaker like me. I did not hear or know about this rule.