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Re:Last year, more people in San Francisco died of overdoses... by lamontcg on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:01PM (#27211371)
> Look at the data.

The way that the death rate in SF is very low comparatively suggests that overshooting with social policy has been very effective.

Those "performative displays of mask wearing in public when it isn't really necessary" actually worked.

Wearing masks when you don't have to produced social pressure towards wearing masks all the time and when it was more necessary and that turns out to have saved lives.

They should start unwinding that now, but it'll take a few months.

For all the people who fixate on the fact that "its not necessary" -- yes, it was, because humans aren't rational like you think they should be. Yep, we're often just "sheep" and "follow the herd", but the "irrational" policies in SF saved lives.

Looking at the graphs of the SF metro area they did about as good as Seattle metro did even though SF is more densely packed. They were way better than Dallas and saved a lot of lives compared to LA.

Re:Last year, more people in San Francisco died of overdoses... by ben0x539 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:23PM (#27213194)
> They should start unwinding that now, but it'll take a few months.

How do you determine when the right point to start unwinding it is? Just glancing at random new-cases-in-SF graphs on google, we're somewhat better off than 1 year ago, but not like by an order of magnitude. Based on that, I think I'll want to keep wearing a mask and avoid people who aren't wearing masks where not too troublesome, for now.

Re:Last year, more people in San Francisco died of overdoses... by lamontcg on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:31PM (#27215369)
SF is down to 3.9 new cases per 100,000 per day from a peak of 53.9, it is already going to be silly to be wearing masks while walking around in public away from crowds. You were never going to catch coronavirus from walking past someone who had it (which is one reason why the protests were not significant sources of spread). I seriously doubt that masks outside in SF serve any purpose right now in SF.

And the rate is still declining, at some point it'll be under 1 in 100,000 which would be 3,300 cases per day across the united states. I doubt we can achieve a lot better than that given that there's 883 million outpatient visits per year (CDC stats) with 1% of them for influenza like illness in the summertime which is a 24,000/day minimum rate. Having 10% of that background be coronavirus is probably the lowest it'll go.

There's always going to be some level of coronavirus spread, but if you're vaccinated and the level of spread is where its at now in SF then you need to be more worried about getting T-boned by an Escalade (particularly the way people blow red lights in SF).

So the people in this thread are correct. The time to unwind is pretty much now. At the same time they're unreasonable to expect everyone to just instantly drop everything because they're failing to account for the way people behave (and particularly when the strategy has been successful for the past ~15 months).

Re:Last year, more people in San Francisco died of overdoses... by lamontcg on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:53PM (#27212022)
And here's a good graph:

https://covidactnow.org/share/36630/?redirectTo=%2Fus%2Fmetr...

(think you may need to scroll up)

That compares SF to Orlando, Miami and LA. And SF includes Oakland in that graph (SF County's numbers are slightly lower).

That is for all the "then how do you explain how Florida did so much better?" people. Florida-vs-California looks better because SF is actually a bit of an island in this case.

Re:Last year, more people in San Francisco died of overdoses... by chrismcb on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:14PM (#27225717)
That graph makes it look like Miami, Orlando and San Francisco are all about the same. Which is kind of the point, that masks maybe didn't really help.