Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by jorangreef on Saturday July 02, 2011 @02:57AM
(#2721201)
To the developers, are you using this with your own friends? Make it more of a hack for your own use (like your own CB radio or something) and see what happens. At the moment, the copy on the front page does not seem "real" enough, like it's written for your friends. It seems more like "strategy copy" or something you'd tell a VC. A penny for every "easiest way", "discover", "location", "around you".
In the interest of reducing sign up friction:
1. There's no need for a "Repeat Password" field. If a user types the wrong password, they can always use a "Change Password" link later.
2. Asking for an "Email Address" would be better than asking for a "Username". You kill two birds with one stone. Most people can remember their email address(es) but I know I don't remember the different usernames I use. Allow users to add multiple email addresses and sign in with any of these.
3. Ideally, you could make it that a user only needs to give you their email address to sign up.
4. Is "Sign Up" really the best copy to use on the first button you want a prospective user to click? What's the information scent there? What's the promise of value? What's the end result of signing up? Be more creative.
5. Things like COPPA, privacy policy etc. can go somewhere else.
Finally, what's your intention with ShoutFast? What's your motivation? Why are you doing this? Get your motivation right and the methods will follow. Don't worry about getting the methods right or cargo-culting. Just worry that you have the right motivation. Spend your time thinking about motivation and everything else will fall into place.
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by premchai21 on Saturday July 02, 2011 @03:04AM
(#2721214)
> 2. Asking for an "Email Address" would be better than asking for a "Username". You kill two birds with one stone. Most people can remember their email address(es) but I know I don't remember the different usernames I use. Allow users to add multiple email addresses and sign in with any of these.
As a counterpoint, I regularly use different Sneakemail addresses on different sites to be able to categorize my mail by origin and provide for limited sending capabilities. These are random-like (in order, among other things, to not be trivial to link to each other) and perfectly machine-readable, but they're difficult to use as usernames. So the trend of “email address as the only acceptable identifier for login” makes things more awkward for me. (This obviously doesn't apply if you allow associating a short name as well.)
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by joshwa on Saturday July 02, 2011 @05:01AM
(#2721330)
Seriously? YALBSN? (Yet Another Location-Based Social Network)
The social-network chicken-egg problem (SNCEP?) is even harder when it's location-based... not only do you need to convince people to sign up, but they have to be clustered location-wise to give them any functionality at all.
Without major marketing/promotional campaign and a really good hook, a new social network will never get off the ground.
"See who wants to... do.. stuff..." is not a suffiently compelling value proposition.
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by joshwa on Saturday July 02, 2011 @06:25AM
(#2721405)
A lot people wants something like this.(Big market)
Do they? I know a lot of startups want to tackle this space, but I haven't seen much in the way of demand from anyone besides startup people.
For OP to succeed he needs a more compelling hook (e.g. foursquare had the gaming aspect) and a solid PR strategy for solving SNCEP.
Some questions that might suggest strategies:
* What is going to make me open the app right now? And again and again?
* What will make me think that I'll actually see any offers near me right now?
* How can I convince folks around me to sign up and use the app? What usecase might we have in common? (and how does your app make that easier/solve that problem?)
* How do I know the person making the offer isn't creepy?
* How can I make sure the offers I see are relevant to me?
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by premchai21 on Saturday July 02, 2011 @01:19AM
(#2721066)
I have little to say about the main functionality at the moment, but I'm afraid my first visual impression of that stylized “o” in the logo is somewhat squick-worthy! Perhaps a bit of reworking might be in order?
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by mattdeboard on Saturday July 02, 2011 @12:19AM
(#2720991)
I dunno, I guess services like this have kind of jumped the shark for me personally. Google+ ties much of this up in a nice little bow, for how I want to consume this data.
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by gschwarzer on Saturday July 02, 2011 @11:59AM
(#2721800)
Your terms of service seem to be for a different site. It states: "shoutfast.com provides users with a search engine service to locate mp3 files and metadata from external web sites throughout the internet."
Would be great to let users know what each field is for in the signup form. They're all blank in Firefox.
Other than that I think it's a cool idea. Good luck!
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by lowglow on Saturday July 02, 2011 @06:04AM
(#2721388)
You know what would be cool? I used to love getting on Def Con voice bridges when I was a kid. I think it would be neat to see anonymous location based voice chats. That way I can talk with people in my area instantly. This also suffers from the CE problem though. C'est la vie.
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by hobonumber1 on Saturday July 02, 2011 @12:56AM
(#2721035)
It's a good idea! :) One of the problems that I foresee is the critical mass problem. Is the app as useful if you're the only one using it, as it would be if it had 100,000 members?
Re:Show HN: I made this: ShoutFast
by jamesgagan on Saturday July 02, 2011 @12:59AM
(#2721039)
Critical mass is definitely a problem, that's why we have seeded it with meetup data so it doesn't look like a ghost town for new users. The plan is to go after university students once fall semester starts.
We think a great use case is to broadcast to your dorm "who wants to go for a drink"!
In the interest of reducing sign up friction:
1. There's no need for a "Repeat Password" field. If a user types the wrong password, they can always use a "Change Password" link later.
2. Asking for an "Email Address" would be better than asking for a "Username". You kill two birds with one stone. Most people can remember their email address(es) but I know I don't remember the different usernames I use. Allow users to add multiple email addresses and sign in with any of these.
3. Ideally, you could make it that a user only needs to give you their email address to sign up.
4. Is "Sign Up" really the best copy to use on the first button you want a prospective user to click? What's the information scent there? What's the promise of value? What's the end result of signing up? Be more creative.
5. Things like COPPA, privacy policy etc. can go somewhere else.
Finally, what's your intention with ShoutFast? What's your motivation? Why are you doing this? Get your motivation right and the methods will follow. Don't worry about getting the methods right or cargo-culting. Just worry that you have the right motivation. Spend your time thinking about motivation and everything else will fall into place.
Well done on launching!
As a counterpoint, I regularly use different Sneakemail addresses on different sites to be able to categorize my mail by origin and provide for limited sending capabilities. These are random-like (in order, among other things, to not be trivial to link to each other) and perfectly machine-readable, but they're difficult to use as usernames. So the trend of “email address as the only acceptable identifier for login” makes things more awkward for me. (This obviously doesn't apply if you allow associating a short name as well.)
The social-network chicken-egg problem (SNCEP?) is even harder when it's location-based... not only do you need to convince people to sign up, but they have to be clustered location-wise to give them any functionality at all.
Without major marketing/promotional campaign and a really good hook, a new social network will never get off the ground.
"See who wants to... do.. stuff..." is not a suffiently compelling value proposition.
2. If he succeeds the space is easy to defend, since it was hard to succeed in the first place.
3. Since, when as a community HN shy away from hard problems?
Right now, you are suppose to be giving advice on how to make this work. He came here for clever hacks and minds, don't disappoint.
Do they? I know a lot of startups want to tackle this space, but I haven't seen much in the way of demand from anyone besides startup people.
For OP to succeed he needs a more compelling hook (e.g. foursquare had the gaming aspect) and a solid PR strategy for solving SNCEP.
Some questions that might suggest strategies:
* What is going to make me open the app right now? And again and again?
* What will make me think that I'll actually see any offers near me right now?
* How can I convince folks around me to sign up and use the app? What usecase might we have in common? (and how does your app make that easier/solve that problem?)
* How do I know the person making the offer isn't creepy?
* How can I make sure the offers I see are relevant to me?
Would be great to let users know what each field is for in the signup form. They're all blank in Firefox.
Other than that I think it's a cool idea. Good luck!
Good work though!
It might be useful to indicate on a map where the locations are listed when you do a quick browse.
tried to sign in twitter, changed username, all others default (empty), chosen default picture, submitted form. http 500 #fail.