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Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by nxpnsv on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:20AM (#27204854)
If you can’t pay market rate salaries, your business is not working...

EDIT: It seems people took this to mean I think everybody should get maximum salary, when what I meant was you should get a fair salary. Maybe I don't understand what market rate means in the US.

Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by johnnyanmac on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:24AM (#27204880)
market rate =/= "most extreme salaries from the largest tech companies". By statistical definition, the highest salaries can't be the median income for newgrads.
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by nxpnsv on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:19AM (#27205204)
Both of these statements are true. Neither of them is what I meant.
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by johnnyanmac on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:22AM (#27205599)
As a follow up to your edit: I think we agree on what market rate is, but what market rate actually is for tech is subject to a wide variety of answers. So that may be where the discrepancy comes from.

that and the article in question giving questionable numbers like:

>50-70k is a junior’s salary. Your people with 10 years of experience with C++ or whatever should be paid closer to 300k

50-70K out of school is normal in the US, but not necessarily all of US (70K in expensive areas like San Fransisco would be low balling, even as a new grad). 300K, even after 10 years, is not normal, not unless you started at a top company and/or have been aggressively chasing pay raises, internally or through job hopping.

BUT, while abnormal it's also not a surprising number to hear either. It depends on so many factors.

Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by ev1 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:11AM (#27206200)
Note that 70k for one person in SF is considered low income/needs assistance/basically not a living wage by hud.gov. The bare minimum is somewhere around 90k.

At about ~140k for one person, you will still have difficulty renting a single housing unit because you will not be able to meet % of income = rent calculations. I have experience with this (and unrelenting corporate managed rentals charging several hundred in nonrefundable application fees just to reject for low income at 6 digits..).

Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by nxpnsv on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:22AM (#27218018)
Interesting, thanks!
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by namdnay on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:07AM (#27205137)
That’s like saying that if you can’t pay Ronaldo’s salary you shouldn’t be running a football team
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by nxpnsv on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:21AM (#27205214)
Am I not understanding what "market rate" means. I bought my care at market rate, it costed less than a lambo. But it also didn't cost $10.
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by namdnay on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:47AM (#27205741)
"market rate" usually applies to a single good (or goods that are fungible between themselves). i think for your car or engineers we would say there are many different markets depending on skill level, location, nationality etc
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by imtringued on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:38AM (#27219831)
The mistake is that companies want a certain quality standard for as low a price as possible, which means their salary expectations don't match their quality standards but they put out press releases telling everyone that it's not the case.
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by nxpnsv on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:13AM (#27206214)
True, although I assume that also applies to footballers...
Re:I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain ab... by dehrmann on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:26AM (#27204897)
Maybe. There diminishing returns as you hire more and more people, so it's also possible the company works with an engineering org of 50, but not 200.