Re:The app that lets you pay to control another person's life
by lucideer on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @07:45AM
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> he would also say it's the first past the post system that has caused so much alienation from the political process
I think I'd agree with this analysis. I live in Ireland, where we have PRSTV (for somewhat hilarious historical reasons while we were under British rule—a Unionist minority wanting better representation in local politics[0]), and while our representative democracy is still riddled with problems and voter alienation, I still think those are multifaceted and have various other complex causes; PRSTV itself is pretty decent as far as representative systems go.
[0] https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-his...
Re:The app that lets you pay to control another person's life
by rbanffy on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @08:32AM
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I moved to Ireland five years ago and I can say I’ve never seen a saner political environment in my life. It’s hard to polarise when extremes are punished harshly and that, while makes it hard to differentiate between parties, it brings a lot of stability.
Trump, Bolsonaro, Duterte, Orban, and so many others wouldn’t be possible here.
And that’s a killer feature.
I used to be in favour of direct democracy btw and somewhat changed my mind lately. The 2019 Reith lectures may have something to do with it - Sumption raised quite a lot of points I hadn't thought of before, in particular making a link between direct democracy and our lawyer-up culture of everyone-suing-everyone-else-all-the-time (the linking factor being the appropriate role of judges in society). I think he would also say it's the first past the post system that has caused so much alienation from the political process (when so many have votes that don't count), rather than there being a problem with representative democracy per se. Worth a listen (also on any podcast app): https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00057m9/episodes/player
I would add that there's a bunch of other issues that caused that alienation, not least mainstream economics being so far divorced from reality for so long; also our media is a disgrace (not that I have any ideas for fixing it I'm afraid).
So would it have happened if we had direct democracy beforehand? I don't know, but I reckon we'd have replaced one problem with another one generating just as much discontent.
Sorry I had missed your context on local issues, you are right about the EU being abstract to most people, though there will always be issues in trying to draw a line between local and global.