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Re:Civilization Is Older Than We Thought by redis_mlc on Monday May 17, 2021 @08:33PM (#27190028)
The North Sea was Doggerland 8500 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland

You could walk from the Netherlands to Britain.

Before that, the Mediterranean Sea was a dry depression. When the Atlantic barrier collapsed, you can imagine the wall of water filling the basin and chasing early humans uphill.

Re:Civilization Is Older Than We Thought by ncmncm on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:02PM (#27190557)
The Mediterranean has been full throughout human prehistory.

Some think the Black Sea was much smaller, and filled up, during the period in question. But evidence there is inconclusive.

We know there was a cataclysmic meteor strike toward the west end of the Persian Gulf, well after it had filled in.

Re:Civilization Is Older Than We Thought by masklinn on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:11AM (#27191720)
> Some think the Black Sea was much smaller, and filled up, during the period in question. But evidence there is inconclusive.

Evidence of catastrophic flooding is debated and inconclusive.

That the black sea’s level used to be much lower is not, all water levels were much lower at the glacial maximum, and gradually rose as the ice age ended, nearing stable historical sea levels around 7.5kya (5500 bce).

Re:Civilization Is Older Than We Thought by ncmncm on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:06AM (#27195622)
I am corrected: Yes,the Black Sea level was much lower, and rose. But how quickly? E.g., if the Bosporus was blocked, and later broke, the water could rise very quickly, over weeks, not years. It could fall, instead, if the sea had filled in, and then suddenly drained by a similar process.

But the subject is complicated by the unknown inflow from rivers, and from meltwater of retreating glacier.

Hydrology is complicated.

Re:Civilization Is Older Than We Thought by jcranmer on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:13AM (#27191182)
The Zanclean Flood (refilling of the Mediterranean) happened about 5 million years ago. That predates not only Homo sapiens sapiens, nor the Homo genus itself, but even Australopithecus itself.