News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by VWWHFSfQ on Monday May 17, 2021 @09:37AM (#27183216)
The turnstiles in NYC are set to fail open as well unless manually overriden. It seems someone did that, for some reason. Possibly incompetence.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by throwaway0a5e on Monday May 17, 2021 @09:59AM (#27183475)
"client called and complained about lost revenue when we did it the way that's specified in our documentation so we're gonna put a note in the checklist to override it going forward"
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by Nextgrid on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:46AM (#27184037)
I'm not sure this is a manual override. Most likely, they didn't "fail" - the control system was holding them closed for some reason but this wasn't a failure scenario. I'm sure they would correctly fail open if the power was cut or the fire alarm was triggered.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by CydeWeys on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:28PM (#27186503)
One key thing that a lot of people seem to be missing in this conversation: The turnstiles rotate in two directions, inwards and outwards. They always freely rotate outwards, so every turnstile can always be used to exit the system. They are always locked against inwards rotation, except for when you swipe your Metrocard, then they perform one partial rotation to admit you.

The linked photo shows someone who is being denied entry into the system, i.e. payments cannot be made and thus that one partial inwards rotation cannot happen. Outwards rotation, however, remains unaffected; if they were on the other side of the turnstile, they wouldn't be trapped inside; they'd still be able to exit through the turnstile.

Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by optimalsolver on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:13AM (#27183626)
Seems like not having them open would be disastrous in an emergency scenario.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by jrockway on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:22AM (#27184471)
You don't pay a fare to exit the New York City Transit system, so nothing will prevent you from leaving during a fire; control system failure or otherwise. There are also emergency exit doors (that many people open to exit more quickly in normal operation of the subway). One may argue that having to go through a turnstile at all is an evacuation disaster, but presumably the designers thought about this and the exit doors are adequate in an emergency.

This is different than systems like London and Tokyo, where you pay for the distance you traveled, and a station evacuation mandates opening the fare controls to let people exit more quickly. For better or for worse, that option has never existed in New York.

Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by alias_neo on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:39AM (#27184697)
It's been a while...lockdown...so I'm recalling memories from ~ 1 year ago, the last time I used the tube (I live in London), but if I remember right, each gate has a red emergency stop button you can hit to exit in an emergency.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by tialaramex on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:24PM (#27185236)
Er. No?

Gate lines in the UK are manned, if there isn't someone available to supervise the gate line, the gates are left open.

There is no "red emergency stop button" on the gates. Perhaps if the maintenance controls are open there's a red button inside somewhere, but that's not what it's for. Most likely you're remembering other emergency stop buttons you saw, e.g. on escalators or in lifts?

Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by Animats on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:28PM (#27185892)
There are red emergency open buttons for the gateline operator. Here is where they are, in the London Underground training video for gateline operators.[1]

[1] https://youtu.be/lRdkI09KCpk?t=220

Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by tialaramex on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:59PM (#27186917)
True, but those aren't controls on the gate. I guess I should have mentioned them in my list of other places the grand-parent might have seen red emergency stop buttons.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by alias_neo on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:37PM (#27186611)
I must be remembering the escalator ones, that makes more sense.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by Dort on Monday May 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#27187868)
I think an emergency could also require someone going in, like ambulance crew or firefighters and the likes.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by wil421 on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:29AM (#27183823)
Usually here are gates with a fire alarm next to them so you bypass them when needed.
Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by avs733 on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:30PM (#27185916)
from the tweet

"NYPD say no access"

Re:Our vendor executed a system reboot that caused a shut do... by papito on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:19AM (#27183707)
That sounds like correct behavior to me.