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Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by fastball on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:16PM (#27178112)
Not really. Excess deaths certainly are not entirely caused by the virus, so you still need to try to subdivide them somehow, which is once again a ripe opportunity for "gaming" / creative statistics.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by dabbledash on Sunday May 16, 2021 @09:11PM (#27178999)
But if you assume the main thing special about this year was the virus and strategies aimed at mitigating it, you can still compare overall outcomes between jurisdictions. If tight lockdowns decrease COVID deaths but increase other deaths enough to compensate then they didn’t achieve anything. It would be valuable to know the exact breakdown but you don’t have to.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by fastball on Sunday May 16, 2021 @11:07PM (#27179702)
Right, but my point is that it's hard to separate those things if your idea is just "excess deaths tell us the cost". So if lockdowns slow COVID but increase suicides... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by andrei_says_ on Sunday May 16, 2021 @11:27PM (#27179805)
I know it’s easy to be a bit cynical once we take an abstract view.

Please let’s remember it is not a simple lever.

Let’s remember the overflowing ICUs and morgues and the very very limited menu of possible immediate actions - all this amongst unprecedented scrutiny, politicization and division.

We’re human. We’re doing the best we can. Lockdowns do flatten the curve.

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by username90 on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:00AM (#27179937)
People only say that since California is actually under reporting more than Florida.