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Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by oogabooga123 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:21PM (#27168069)
Ive heard the “there’s chips in the tetanus shots they give in prison” conspiracy theories from more than one person working closely with prison staff, I wonder if this is a curious case of conspiracy theory “subculture”
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by captainmuon on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:53PM (#27168916)
The prison staff has this theory? I wonder then if the cause is that they are so used to treating the inmates inhumanely, that they assume secretly putting "chips" in vaccines is a totally normal thing that the someone would do to prisoners.
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by oogabooga123 on Sunday May 16, 2021 @02:34PM (#27175908)
Well one of them insisted he was told this was the reason for a change in suppliers so maybe it goes all the way to the top haha
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by p1mrx on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:37PM (#27168224)
I wonder how much of this is just a misunderstanding of what vaccines do. They're probably perceived to be medicine for the weak, when in reality they train you to become stronger.

Shouldn't it make sense for the sort of person who stockpiles guns to also stockpile immunity?

Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by aksss on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:26PM (#27168672)
And masks, gasoline, lumber and toilet paper. ;)
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by stevefrench93 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:36PM (#27170484)
How do they train you to become stronger?
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by p1mrx on Sunday May 16, 2021 @10:36PM (#27179551)
The vaccines train your immune system to kill the virus more effectively.
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by jostmey on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:20PM (#27168060)
These are case stories about why people don't want to take the COVID vaccine. I've read the United States will never reach heard immunity, which is believable to me. I can't wait for the vaccine to become available to kids so I won't have to worry about other people avoiding the COVID vaccine.

People fear vaccines but don't understand that a virus does a lot more damage to your cells than a vaccine ever could

Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by stevefrench93 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:42PM (#27168276)
Their flawed logic is likely as follows:

1. I have consistent prolonged exposure to inmates in my day to day so there is a high probability of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.

2. While infected, my immune system produced similar or identical antibodies to the vaccine.

3. The potential benefits of the vaccine no longer outweigh the potential risks.

Something must be done to educate these guards.

Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by aksss on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:23PM (#27168650)
Kudos for trying to “steelman” their argument rather than strawman it.

As devil’s advocate, we have no long term data about the vaccine, and people with it are still getting COVID, and may need another booster for variants. Is their prolonged and survived exposure to COVID really less effective than introducing the vaccine into their system? The risk profiles are different, but is the vaccine more effective than the antibodies they already have produced naturally? I don’t know answer, just curious rambling.

Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by p1mrx on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:58PM (#27168442)
Where is the logical flaw? I think this argument would be pretty reasonable if the potential risks of the vaccine were orders of magnitude greater.
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by stevefrench93 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:45PM (#27168843)
The GLARING logical flaw is that vaccines are safe and effective.
Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by SamReidHughes on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:47PM (#27168869)
But they're not 100% safe, and if the guards already have immunity, then they're not effective.

In fact, I may be reading too much into your dropping of the article on "vaccines" but there is a huge flaw in your logic. General facts about "vaccines" don't say something about a particular vaccine, especially a new one. But my apologies if you meant to write "these vaccines."

Re:Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Re... by p1mrx on Saturday May 15, 2021 @06:21PM (#27169542)
That's not a logical flaw; the logic is just based on an incorrect axiom.