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Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by m00x on Saturday May 15, 2021 @12:29AM (#27162367)
Why China? Most of the major chip fabs aren't made in China. They're mostly made in Taiwan, South Korea and the US. Unless we're strictly talking about TSMC, which does have 2/18 fabs in China.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by artificial on Saturday May 15, 2021 @12:33AM (#27162393)
The location of Taiwan to the mainland is the perceived concern with the Chinese navy and the reach of the American military. Recently a squadron was moved from Guam. China has been expanding its influence/territory via islands in the South China Sea over the last decade. I think it’s a strategic concern.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by lstamour on Saturday May 15, 2021 @01:14AM (#27162609)
This article explains some of the conflict: https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/can-taiwans-silico...

China’s stance on Taiwan is clear[1] but given Taiwan doesn’t agree, it has remained independent despite what China says. The same was true for Hong Kong until recently, however, so concerns remain.

The US is waking up to realizing that they have a heavy reliance on China for civilian goods and a slight to moderate risk that it might be disrupted or used against them in future.

The worry I suppose is that it might be easier for supply chain-based attacks to weaken US defences, not that we’ve seen anything like this in practice yet due to how easy it is to exploit existing software bugs, for example.

1. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-taiwan-relations-tens...

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by karmasimida on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:52AM (#27163308)
> The same was true for Hong Kong until recently, however, so concerns remain.

Not true. HK has been Chinese territory after 1997, there are PLA deployed in HK. There is no doubt about China's military capacity there, had the party really wanted to use it.

For Taiwan that is never the case.

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by nl on Saturday May 15, 2021 @02:51AM (#27163026)
The situation with Taiwan (an independent - if unrecognised - country) is very different to HK which was a separately governed province of China.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by ChuckMcM on Saturday May 15, 2021 @02:57AM (#27163048)
This statement conflicts with my understanding of the British rule of Hong Kong and the accords under which is was placed under the sovereignty of China.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by bigfudge on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:20AM (#27163172)
HK was always going g to be returned to the Chinese. It took 20 years for the charade to end, but the situation is different to Taiwan.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by elefanten on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:16AM (#27164915)
You’re not responding to the point. There was a clear deal in place regarding how China could govern/change Hong Kong, with strict timelines.

China broke its word and trashed the deal. Eventual certainty notwithstanding — the CCP demonstrated (as it has oh so many other times) that their word is unusually unreliable, even in the shitty arena of international politics.

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by bigfudge on Monday May 24, 2021 @06:57PM (#27270666)
I'm late returning to this, and I don't normally like whataboutism, and I don't want to be seen to be condoning what is happening in HK, but I have very low expectations for nations keeping commitments made in international politics. I think everyone was pretty clear when the HK deal was struck that it wouldn't make the distance. The UK just wanted to avoid rocking the boat + there was very little that could be done. The US has renagaged on several international agreements in recent history — we all know that these agreements reflect the preferences of those in power at the time and are contingent on it remaining convenient.
Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by nl on Saturday May 15, 2021 @08:22PM (#27170162)
That's the point I was making originally btw.

HK relies on Chinas word. Taiwan doesn't.

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by nl on Saturday May 15, 2021 @08:19PM (#27170144)
China's treatment of HK was supposed to be regulated by a treaty with the UK - but as you point out it was under the sovereignty of China.

That's pretty different to Taiwan which has never been under the sovereignty of China.

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by ChuckMcM on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:31PM (#27170461)
> That's pretty different to Taiwan which has never been under the sovereignty of China.

You see, if China agreed with your statement diplomacy would be a lot easier. But few things anger the Chinese more than asserting that it does not have sovereignty over Taiwan, the only other one I can think of is that Tibet should be free to be its own country.

Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by nl on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:02AM (#27172798)
Sure, this is true.

But Taiwan has a functional, large military, friends in Washington and economic consequences to an invasion.

HK had umbrellas and a few strongly worded newspaper columns.