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Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by airhead969 on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:03PM (#27157565)
Serverless? There are always servers. APIs don't exist in a vacuum or scale magically.

If you don't understand how to build what's underneath, then you don't understand what's involved and are at the mercy of vendors or someone else.

Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by derefr on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:38PM (#27161500)
I have built what was underneath — and then threw it away, because the managed-services vendor built it better, and the OpEx of paying them to manage it was less than the OpEx of paying myself to maintain it.
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by airhead969 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @08:44AM (#27193835)
It absolutely depends on scale. Smaller teams of better staff can sustain cloud infrastructure, especially if grabbing as many internal needs as possible so as to gather critical mass to make it pay for itself.
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by o-__-o on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:37PM (#27161804)
This has been the story repeated over the past 30 years
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by airhead969 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @08:45AM (#27193838)
Not thirty years. 10-15. IT was a big industry that everyone did up until about 2010.
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by o-__-o on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:17AM (#27218710)
I’ve been involved in IT for over 25 years, I’ve seen a lot :)
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by manquer on Friday May 14, 2021 @04:12PM (#27159175)
By that logic I as AP dev should know systems programming and OS. A systems programmer should know kernel development ? A kernel developer should know assembly and microprocessor architecture?

Everybody has at best little or shaky knowledge of underlying abstraction. Yes it helps to know more, but is not really practical to expect that knowledge as the minimum required.

Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by dilyevsky on Friday May 14, 2021 @04:30PM (#27159357)
Yes you should have at least some knowledge of architectural principles and design of an api layer you directly depend on. How is that not just common sense?
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by jackcviers3 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:03PM (#27161627)
Yes. You should know one layer of abstraction below the one you are using. Always. Because everything leaks, and eventually you have to fix it.
Re:Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes? by borplk on Saturday May 15, 2021 @12:09PM (#27166440)
Every time someone mentions serverless some smartass feels obligated to mention that "there are servers". Yes we know. It's a specific technical term to refer to category of serverless products like AWS Lambda.